Dear BioWare: Females of the Species Do Exist

That sounds ... odd. "I like this thing. Isn't it awful?"



Dude, play the game if you like it, stop playing if you don't. In any event, start by just getting over your bad self.

Oh, I'm sorry that the original post in the thread seems to be off topic to what you want to rant about. It was my understanding that the opening post in a thread was supposed to be the topic, how silly of me, I should have known it was just a platform for your agenda. Perhaps you should start your own thread? How, exactly, does one win or lose an argument on a forum? Will shouting from your soapbox loud enough suddenly make you more right, or less wrong, than somebody else?

Here's a shocker for you: I haven't seen any fan artwork. Generally speaking, it winds up being "they didn't have nude models, so I drew some of the characters nude for your perusal". Good, bad or indifferent, I don't pay any attention to it. The artwork presented for this expansion didn't affect my decision to buy, or not buy the expansion either. Art is a very small part of the gaming experience, I'm more "concerned" with what the expansion is bringing to the table than what picture they're using to attempt to entice me to buy it. Sorry you're offended, or discriminated against by some pixels, or the lack of pixels in this case, but really, that's your issue, not BioWare's. It is evident, to me at least, that you're only interested in forwarding your agenda, to the point that you believe the Opening Post in a thread is irrelevant to the conversation. Now, if you can demonstrate that females aren't represented in this game, you'll have a nice foundation to discuss from. So enlighten me, how are females not represented here?

I played the older BioWARE games. The only ones I did not have a chance to play yet due to RL are Dragon Age series and ME series. I jumped from KOTOR/NWN to SWTOR missing a few years in between. I, of course, completely discredited myself, but fwiw, I started playing male stories recently in SWTOR and tbh, the grass is greener imo. I've got all the stuff I wanted and didn't get on my female protagonists. I think the rest of my protagonists will likely be males. I like getting the cool options & environment interactions more than I like to play a female toon w/o it.

Yes, I know, I was made aware on numerous occasions, that a lot of players, maybe all of them save for me, prefer playing female toons exactly because those options are unavailable to the female toons or they are happy with the content that is there. I understand. I get it . I am done objecting, the first post was just a very stupid thing to do.

I've apologized. I will apologize again if it will make any difference to anyone who got really upset.

Hehe, Lets see them explain THAT with a legacy perk......

Even in SWTOR there are more male gamers than female. I'm female, and majority of the time, it's only ever me in the raid group(s) over voice chat who is female. Once or twice there's been a woman, usually doesn't say anything at all just types or makes a comment or two.

It doesn't help when you have immature players, who like to act like women don't exist in this game. I've heard crap like G.I.R.L or pics or it didn't happen, etc.

So, on one hand I can understand why the OP was annoyed by the concept art thing, mostly due to stupidity of the immature playerbase, but on the other hand, it was concept art. I don't care if a male or female is wearing the armor myself long as it gets the point of the art across. Though, it WOULD be nice to be able to put a metal bikini on a male toon. That'd make me wonder if they manscaped beforehand.

Ah, that debate -- because this thread needs to be even more contentious and venomous....

I've never used the word "gobsmacked" before, but somehow it seems appropriately klutzy for this topic and responses. Let me see if I have this straight. Some people are upset that EA/BW has used some art work in a marketing campaign that does not depict females. This is somehow "wrong" BECAUSE the majority of PEOPLE are FEMALE (a spurious, pedantic, and irrelevant point when you are discussing a targeted marketing campaign), therefore BW/EA is sexist, racist, misogynist, and a variety of other derogatory names because they are "missing" a marketing opportunity. People know this because those who are ALREADY SUBSCRIBED, i.e.: already succumbed to the marketing "genius" of EA/BW, are pointing this out.

Having never taken even an introductory marketing class, they are marketing experts all, we see. And not only that, the 200 replies are calling each other names, pointing out that others have "missed the point," touting their superior abilities at logic and insight, and generally creating a little mini-furor over this issue, a self-important tempest in a teapot that to the rest of the world is laughingly, hysterically inane. All because someone deemed it fit and proper to "point out" OVER half the population of 7 billion plus souls on this planet are female. DUH!!

What this entire thread shows more than any other single factor is why BW/EA should completely ignore and write off anything posted on these forums. It is a complete waste of time for them to even read them. And further, the forums themselves are simply a drain on resources. They should simply be eliminated. There are other forums out there; people will find them. There's no reason for BW/EA to be in the forum business at all. Keep the web site for orders and announcements. Period.

The rest of this stuff is overwhelmingly stupid and does not justify the rare gems of wisdom and insight which, despite all odds to the contrary, miraculously appear from time to time. It's just not worth it.

The irony is, if they don't listen to anyone one the forums, they won't take your advice to shut down the forums...

The single best information gathering organisation in the world puts the ratio of men to women at 101 to 100.

But whether its 101 men for every 100 women, 5 men for every 1000 women, or 3872 men for every 2873 women, it makes no difference at all whatsoever.

The only thing about these drawings that merits any attention or warrants any concern is that fact that the knight is holding a double bladed lightsaber.

It's almost like mostly males play this game! That damned business model. How dare they pander to their audience.