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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Savej
09.16.2014 , 09:55 AM | #5541
Quote: Originally Posted by crubel View Post
I'm more on the side of allowing AC change, but you do bring up a good point about melee vs range which is mostly a huge different between ACs. Changing my sniper to an operative would be like night and day due to the melee vs ranged points your bring up, and a lot of people tend to prefer one over the other.

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there is at least one example of spec changes in other games where one spec is a stealth dps and another is a ranged dps (and another is a tank and another is a healer - each requiring different energy mechanics different stats, different gear and different macros/keybinds/abilities). If any of what ratajack and others mentioned is in any way truly relevant then you have to explain how and why the example i'm referring to broke that other game or class dynamics or lore or player retention or anything, really. We have already seen worst possible case scenarios and players switching from ranged to melee with a spec (or something resembling a spec in terms of game design theory) change breaks nothing at all.

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Deewe
09.16.2014 , 10:04 AM | #5542
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
I'm so excited for this change. I have like 4 characters that I will switch over as soon as it goes live.
Wait what, official word on AC swap is out?
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Vhaegrant
09.16.2014 , 10:14 AM | #5543
Quote: Originally Posted by Aries_cz View Post
Ah, I forgot about Powertechs and DPS merc using lot of same things (because I don't play DPS spec on these classes, I have tank PT and heal Commando). However, they are the most glaring exception from that rule, and most ACs have their rotations based on their own skills or on skills that the other AC does not use (like Snipe on Sniper/Operative).
The attack rotations show some variation across all specs, although most are built from a mixture of Class, Advanced Class and Spec abilities.
All classes share a very similar core of defensive abilities (stun, interrupt, break and de-aggro).
That said, the need for spatial and tactical awareness, and being able to adopt your rotation of the fly can vary significantly between Specs, as much, if not more so than changing AC.
Quote: Originally Posted by Aries_cz View Post
And as I said, even if I swtich from Tank PT to DPS PT, my gear is still somewhat usable in this new role. I cannot say the same if I swapped from Healer Commando to Tank Vanguard
A little bit misleading there
Try swapping from DPS PT to Tank PT and tanking in your DPS set... not so easy now is it :P

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LordArtemis
09.16.2014 , 01:04 PM | #5544
Quote: Originally Posted by Savej View Post
You can't make judgements on dev points of view based on recent silences or inaction. "Devs are obviously opposed to same sex companion romances"? "Devs hate the idea of open space pve"? "Devs are done with Revan and Kotor references" (pre 2.10 person saying that). Bad logic.
Well, what you can't do with any reasonable expectation of acceptance is to say something like "ACs are classes because the Devs say so" IMO.

But you can certainly point out the facts of the matter. That is pure logic. The statement I highlighted simply points out a few absolute facts. What you derive from those facts is completely up to you.

To summarize...

Devs have stated that ACs were designed as fundamentally different class designs.
Devs have stated that AC change will likely happen eventually.
No statements pertaining to AC original design intent or the allowance of AC change have been made in more than a year.
In polling this thread, there is not a clear majority on who supports AC change and who does not. It is pretty close to even.

Those are all facts. You can interpret them as you will.

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Jaxtes
09.16.2014 , 05:39 PM | #5545
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
I'm so excited for this change. I have like 4 characters that I will switch over as soon as it goes live.
I will only be switching 2 toons, the switch is bound to be a bit expensive

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branmakmuffin
09.16.2014 , 06:07 PM | #5546
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxtes View Post
Healer and Tank have entirely different stat priority.
So do tank and DPS.

Quote: Originally Posted by Deewe View Post
Wait what, official word on AC swap is out?
Hardly.

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Savej
09.16.2014 , 07:56 PM | #5547
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Well, what you can't do with any reasonable expectation of acceptance is to say something like "ACs are classes because the Devs say so" IMO.

But you can certainly point out the facts of the matter. That is pure logic. The statement I highlighted simply points out a few absolute facts. What you derive from those facts is completely up to you.

To summarize...

Devs have stated that ACs were designed as fundamentally different class designs.
Devs have stated that AC change will likely happen eventually.
No statements pertaining to AC original design intent or the allowance of AC change have been made in more than a year.
In polling this thread, there is not a clear majority on who supports AC change and who does not. It is pretty close to even.

Those are all facts. You can interpret them as you will.
Yes, those are all facts and I'm not disputing them. But I know you know the story is longer than that (there are blanks in those facts) and I was only arguing with the interpretation/logic/leap that "no news" means something in particular.

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LordArtemis
09.16.2014 , 08:36 PM | #5548
Quote: Originally Posted by Savej View Post
Yes, those are all facts and I'm not disputing them. But I know you know the story is longer than that (there are blanks in those facts) and I was only arguing with the interpretation/logic/leap that "no news" means something in particular.
Fair enough. Just wanted to explain my post. I did not mean to cast doubt on your contentions or conclusions.

I think many interpretations can be made from those facts, one no more or less valid than the last IMO. Since it is all pure speculation past the facts naturally.

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Vhaegrant
10.06.2014 , 10:24 AM | #5549
So does the new 3.0 Discipline system impact on the difficulty of switching Advanced Classes?

Link to dev blog -> http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20141006

Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Disciplines being introduced will not allow you to change Advanced Class, just Discipline. Example, if you are a Madness Sorcerer right now you will have the option of which Discipline to move into, Corruption, Lightning, or Madness just like you do now! Also, just like now, you will be able to change Disciplines after choosing should you want to.

-eric
I guess that answers that then

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Jaxtes
10.06.2014 , 12:15 PM | #5550
Who knows but bringing a dramatic change to skill system is the best time to provide an AC class switch.
Think the quote might have been more of an emphasis that FREE AC change is not coming.
*Fingers crossed*