Drop the cents in the GTN pricing PLZ !!

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Drop the cents in the GTN pricing PLZ !!

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Grayseven

09.26.2014 , 12:12 PM \| #101	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaz-Res I have won more than 30 millions in around 1 hour and a half playing time. If you don't consider that a valid argument, then I don't know what else to say I believe for most common folks that is more than they will ever see. And I have done it in a casual way. If I had actually watched the prices closely and adjusted my own exploiting stacks once or twice per day, and put more than 3 of 4 different materials on the gtn imagine what the income would have been. And I don't know why you say that, by my reasoning, we should just get rid of the per item column of the GTN, I haven't said nothing like that! Not at all. Have you actually read my post? because if you do, and you actually understood that then Im explaining myself in the wrong way I made a billion in 3 seconds... Since you can say whatever you want, my data is as valid as yours. Without proof, it's useless to say things like "I made millions". All I am seeing here are people saying a problem exists when none does. You can sort the GTN to put the lowest priced items on top, the highest on bottom, by individual piece cost or by stack cost. They have a decimal point which only someone not paying attention would mistake for a comma (or comma for decimal point) in only one of the two columns. If you don't have any common sense, if you don't have the ability to pay attention and if you aren't smart enough to GTN then YOU are the problem...not the game. This is a complete non-issue. As long as stacks can be sold there will be fractions of a credit in ONE AND ONLY ONE COLUMN. Easy fix? Don't use the column with the fractions in it. Problem solved. There is no argument that can be made that beats the simple fact that people not paying attention to what they are doing are the problem, not the GTN. We don't need to be forced to use whole numbers and we don't need to have false data on the GTN in order to prevent people who are not paying attention from doing something they wouldn't do if they used just a shred of common sense and due diligence.
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ThorgrimLutgen

09.26.2014 , 12:15 PM \| #102	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Shoraan ..................................Formatting the column in such a way that is looks consistent should not even be considered a QoL improvement but the obvious choice when designing that interface......................................... .. IT IS consistent. Seriously, what's wrong with you people who cannot understand basic number recognition. The only reason you are having issues is because you are rushing, when the rest of us are not. Show some patience, grow some balls and stop being so pathetic.

Grayseven

09.26.2014 , 12:17 PM \| #103	Quote
[QUOTE} One minor change, which would have a large impact on avoiding user error is hardly idiot-proofing the entire game. [/QUOTE] Since everything else in this post is BS, I'll point out the one thing that stands out. User error is not EA/BW's problem, it's the player that needs to ensure they don't screw up. /thread
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Kaz-Res

09.26.2014 , 12:52 PM \| #104	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven I made a billion in 3 seconds... Since you can say whatever you want, my data is as valid as yours. Without proof, it's useless to say things like "I made millions"� I can make a list of the players I have scammed in the past. Not all of them, but most, I believe. was actually making it to give them back their money if by any reason bioware decided to give me back whats was mine, (in the first place, when I just wanted to have my money back, before things get out of my moral hesitation ). Its from the Progenitor, rp server. Maybe I can post it here so the guys scammed can actually confirm it? I don't know, you may just said they are my friends, or my guilmates. How can I show you the truth? I can show you images of the mails I have received calling me (with reason) all kind of nasty things. Obviously the hour I have refer is the total time I have spend putting the materials on the gtn during a week. Wasn't that clear? I don't know what to said... Maybe try following my method for the weekend? You can later give them their money back... Im sorry, but I can't (and actually don't really care) force you to believe on my words... But I still don't understand why so reluctance to a simple change... We are not asking for something really difficult, are we?

MillionsKNives

09.26.2014 , 12:57 PM \| #105	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy To most people on here its the problem that it is up to bioware to add in a feature preventing them from doing something stupid. guess what i've never done anything stupid on the GTN i always check the prices, double check and tripple check. If I find something super cheap i buy it right away and resell later. If i find something super expensive I will try to undercut and sell cheaper in hopes of meeting a need and making a sale. But the difference is I don't expect a company to make a tool so that it it panders to those that some how manage to survive daily life with the simple things. Help yourself first, don't expect (demand) others make your life easier. Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven I made a billion in 3 seconds... Since you can say whatever you want, my data is as valid as yours. Without proof, it's useless to say things like "I made millions". All I am seeing here are people saying a problem exists when none does. You can sort the GTN to put the lowest priced items on top, the highest on bottom, by individual piece cost or by stack cost. They have a decimal point which only someone not paying attention would mistake for a comma (or comma for decimal point) in only one of the two columns. If you don't have any common sense, if you don't have the ability to pay attention and if you aren't smart enough to GTN then YOU are the problem...not the game. This is a complete non-issue. As long as stacks can be sold there will be fractions of a credit in ONE AND ONLY ONE COLUMN. Easy fix? Don't use the column with the fractions in it. Problem solved. There is no argument that can be made that beats the simple fact that people not paying attention to what they are doing are the problem, not the GTN. We don't need to be forced to use whole numbers and we don't need to have false data on the GTN in order to prevent people who are not paying attention from doing something they wouldn't do if they used just a shred of common sense and due diligence. We get it, you lack empathy and hate stupid people. No need to repeat yourselves. Quote: Originally Posted by ThorgrimLutgen IT IS consistent. Seriously, what's wrong with you people who cannot understand basic number recognition. The only reason you are having issues is because you are rushing, when the rest of us are not. Show some patience, grow some balls and stop being so pathetic. Sometimes it shows a decimal point, sometimes it doesn't. That's not consistent. Yes, there are rules that govern whether the decimal point is shown; however, across a given list of numbers, having or not having a decimal point is not consistent. Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven Since everything else in this post is BS Quality discussion skills you show. You make a convincing argument. Quote: I'll point out the one thing that stands out. User error is not EA/BW's problem, it's the player that needs to ensure they don't screw up. /thread Yes, it is their problem. If their design is causing, even indirectly, users to make mistakes then it is their problem. Whether they acknowledge or fix it is something else. You wouldn't imagine the amount of time that is spent just to make sure that people turn the correct way in a hallway, and the tricks that developers will do to make people go the correct way. If stuff like this wasn't their problem they'd never put that kind of effort in for an issue like that. Sure, they could take your approach and just blame the players, but then all they're left with is a bunch of frustrated people who hate their game. There's a lot of subtlety and psychology in designing a game and its systems, and a good developer will analyze how their system influences what the players do and how they act. Simply blaming the player and calling them stupid, while satisfying for your ego, is not beneficial, and will likely blind you to the real issue, which may actually lie in your own design. In short: don't ever try to work as a developer, you'll be terrible at it.

branmakmuffin

09.26.2014 , 12:57 PM \| #106	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaz-Res I can show you images of the mails I have received calling me (with reason) all kind of nasty things. Then do it. Let's see the links. Quote: Im sorry, but I can't (and actually don't really care) force you to believe on my words... You're not the least bit sorry, so why say it? Unverifiable internet claims are ... unverifiable. Quote: But I still don't understand why so reluctance to a simple change... We are not asking for something really difficult, are we? It's a pointless, unneeded change. As to how difficult it is, I'm sure we can find any number of armchair software developers to pontificate on how easy it would be.

jstankaroslo

09.26.2014 , 01:03 PM \| #107	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaz-Res I can make a list of the players I have scammed in the past. Not all of them, but most, I believe. was actually making it to give them back their money if by any reason bioware decided to give me back whats was mine, (in the first place, when I just wanted to have my money back, before things get out of my moral hesitation ). Its from the Progenitor, rp server. Maybe I can post it here so the guys scammed can actually confirm it? I don't know, you may just said they are my friends, or my guilmates. How can I show you the truth? I can show you images of the mails I have received calling me (with reason) all kind of nasty things. Obviously the hour I have refer is the total time I have spend putting the materials on the gtn during a week. Wasn't that clear? I don't know what to said... Maybe try following my method for the weekend? You can later give them their money back... Im sorry, but I can't (and actually don't really care) force you to believe on my words... But I still don't understand why so reluctance to a simple change... We are not asking for something really difficult, are we? Don't worry -you wrote you are new to the forums -these are the internet forum fighting tricks they are trying to pull here. You seem geniune, and I believe you. Almost feel tempted to try the scam myself seeing how much credits you made on this, but no, don't want to rob people of their time spent on earning their credits. Anyway, this seems to boil down to either you are happy that some people make mistakes (aka -they sometimes act stupid), or you feel for them and don't want this kind of activity to be valid and possible in SWTOR. World is full of people of either side of the fence, and we will not be able to resolve this kind of political, ethics etc kind of issue here. Either you are happy that the possibility like this exists, or not. That is all, really.

Shoraan

09.26.2014 , 01:09 PM \| #108	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven Since everything else in this post is BS, I'll point out the one thing that stands out. User error is not EA/BW's problem, it's the player that needs to ensure they don't screw up. /thread Too many user errors are not only the users' problems but quickly become the developers' problems. It costs them money to read and answer support tickets. And by that these problems become everyone's problems, because every additional ticket that could have been avoided will result in other tickets taking longer to be answered. For that very reason Bioware has implemented features or changed game mechanics that caused support tickets.

Orizuru

09.26.2014 , 01:21 PM \| #109	Quote
I'll never understand why people feel they need to argue the same points as long as they do. If you think it's a pointless and needless change, say so once, let it be known and let that be the end of it. This entire thread is just a way to communicate an idea. BioWare isn't going to pass on or act upon the idea based on who wins the p*****g contest on the forums. They will evaluated the facts and make the decisions that are best for the company and the players. State your opinions, reason them out and justify them if you must, clarify them when they are not being understood, but for God's sake stop repeating the same arguements over and over just because someone doesn't agree with you. We get it, some people don't think this is a problem. I'm inclined to agree with that, but just because I don't think it's a problem doesn't mean I have to convince everyone else that it isn't a problem.

DOHboy

09.26.2014 , 01:21 PM \| #110	Quote
Spoiler Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives We get it, you lack empathy and hate stupid people. No need to repeat yourselves. Sometimes it shows a decimal point, sometimes it doesn't. That's not consistent. Yes, there are rules that govern whether the decimal point is shown; however, across a given list of numbers, having or not having a decimal point is not consistent. Quality discussion skills you show. You make a convincing argument. Yes, it is their problem. If their design is causing, even indirectly, users to make mistakes then it is their problem. Whether they acknowledge or fix it is something else. You wouldn't imagine the amount of time that is spent just to make sure that people turn the correct way in a hallway, and the tricks that developers will do to make people go the correct way. If stuff like this wasn't their problem they'd never put that kind of effort in for an issue like that. Sure, they could take your approach and just blame the players, but then all they're left with is a bunch of frustrated people who hate their game. There's a lot of subtlety and psychology in designing a game and its systems, and a good developer will analyze how their system influences what the players do and how they act. Simply blaming the player and calling them stupid, while satisfying for your ego, is not beneficial, and will likely blind you to the real issue, which may actually lie in your own design. In short: don't ever try to work as a developer, you'll be terrible at it. It has nothing to do with empathy or me being an A-hole or anything else. I am a huge advocate of personal responsibility. I see warning signs on devices that have no reason to have warning signs. Passwords on the internet have become difficult convoluted and impossible to remember, so people pick easy ones to remember (123Password) and get hacked. Thus making more rules and regulations to make passwords more complex and more difficult. Where as a password that was simply "my password is password" is very simple to remember and is orders of magnitude harder to crack than "R0!ck#72" in this point there is one fundamental issue they need to understand no matter what the radix point looks like (, a . a & a # etc) there are only ever two digits to the right of it. Not 1, not 3..2 trailing zeros are eliminated specifically to avoid any confusion. IF they listed 3 decimal places ##0 then YES I would agree it needs to be corrected and adjusted. But until they do. ####.## ####,## or ####$## ####:## etc. will always represent the same number.

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