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Drop the cents in the GTN pricing PLZ !!

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Drop the cents in the GTN pricing PLZ !!

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MillionsKNives
09.26.2014 , 09:25 AM | #91
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Do not care.
Like I said, a lack of empathy.

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it isn't EA/BW job to hold their hands
Umm...yes it is. It quite literally is their job. It's their job to create an enjoyable playing experience for their users. Every time they make an improvement to the game they are holding your hand. Every iteration of the UI is done to better hold your hand. Every time they decide to go with one design over another, for "an improved user experience" they are holding your hand. The fact that they even display video and audio for you, tell you your damage numbers, log your hits and deaths, show you a sum of your credits, give you a confirmation dialog, and allow sorting, they are holding your hand. What makes this holding of your hand so much more holding of your hand than the rest of their holding of your hand that it has become morally reprehensible?

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and idiot proof the entire game
One minor change, which would have a large impact on avoiding user error is hardly idiot-proofing the entire game.

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It would never end.
You're right, updating the game would never end. They should just stop doing that right now. No more updates because Grayseven can't handle it.

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The tools are available for people to use to prevent from making mistakes,
The tools are not working. They can be improved.

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it is up to them to use them and not the game company to drop everything and "fix" a non-existent problem.
If a single developer taking 20 minutes to add a floor() call to the unit-price calculation constitutes BioWare "dropping everything" to fix the issue then you might want to rethink your stance. I haven't used any modern language that doesn't have some basic math functions as a part of the STL, which would include a function such as floor() or round().

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There is no confusion to clean up for most people, so it's a bad idea that should go nowhere.
Data? Statistics? Anything to back this up? Also, most bugs that they fix don't affect "most people", should those be avoided too? Afterall, it's impossible to fix them all, it will never end, might as well stop now.

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How about wasting dev time on something that's not broken and is not a real problem?
Indeed, having a large amount of players spend exorbitant amounts of credits because of a mistake is not a problem at all. In fact it should be encouraged!

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They have plenty of other things to work on.
If only they had the ability to prioritize and organize their changes...Hey, since you seem to be so good at organizing their work, maybe you should get a job there to do just that.

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So, if they make the change, are you actually insinuating that people will stop making dumb mistakes? Ain't no way!
Yes, that's exactly what I'm insinuating.

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I will not advocate any change that make like easier for stupid people...we are dumb enough the way it is.
Congratulations! You are smarter than other people. Your mom would be very proud of you. And all those stupid people should just suffer in their stupidity. We can't have any sensible changes made to make their lives easier! Why? Because they're stupid!

There, your ego feel better now?

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TUXs
09.26.2014 , 09:28 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
Like I said, a lack of empathy.

Umm...yes it is. It quite literally is their job. It's their job to create an enjoyable playing experience for their users. Every time they make an improvement to the game they are holding your hand. Every iteration of the UI is done to better hold your hand. Every time they decide to go with one design over another, for "an improved user experience" they are holding your hand. The fact that they even display video and audio for you, tell you your damage numbers, log your hits and deaths, show you a sum of your credits, give you a confirmation dialog, and allow sorting, they are holding your hand. What makes this holding of your hand so much more holding of your hand than the rest of their holding of your hand that it has become morally reprehensible?

One minor change, which would have a large impact on avoiding user error is hardly idiot-proofing the entire game.

You're right, updating the game would never end. They should just stop doing that right now. No more updates because Grayseven can't handle it.

The tools are not working. They can be improved.

If a single developer taking 20 minutes to add a floor() call to the unit-price calculation constitutes BioWare "dropping everything" to fix the issue then you might want to rethink your stance. I haven't used any modern language that doesn't have some basic math functions as a part of the STL, which would include a function such as floor() or round().

Data? Statistics? Anything to back this up? Also, most bugs that they fix don't affect "most people", should those be avoided too? Afterall, it's impossible to fix them all, it will never end, might as well stop now.

Indeed, having a large amount of players spend exorbitant amounts of credits because of a mistake is not a problem at all. In fact it should be encouraged!

If only they had the ability to prioritize and organize their changes...Hey, since you seem to be so good at organizing their work, maybe you should get a job there to do just that.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm insinuating.

Congratulations! You are smarter than other people. Your mom would be very proud of you. And all those stupid people should just suffer in their stupidity. We can't have any sensible changes made to make their lives easier! Why? Because they're stupid!

There, your ego feel better now?
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Brewski
09.26.2014 , 09:34 AM | #93
My last word on this one, as it is spiraling the same way the other thread did, and will serve no real purpose other than to allow people to waste an afternoon arguing minor differences and semantics with each other.

A quality of life improvement (not a bug fix) has been suggested. Although it will neither prevent-stupid, nor stop scammers, it is a sensible idea that will clear up confusion and make the listing work and look better. It may also have the added benefit of lessening (not removing) the occurrence of GTN overpricing errors, which is a great thing, but even without that it will clean up the display, and so is worth doing anyway. I agree this is not a high priority issue, but assuming it's an easy and simple change, it's also not a "too much trouble, do not fix" type of issue either. I don't see any reason it can be in there with all of the other QoL changes and low priority bug fixes Bioware applies with every patch.

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AlienEyeTX
09.26.2014 , 09:34 AM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
The tools are not working. They can be improved.


Indeed, having a large amount of players spend exorbitant amounts of credits because of a mistake is not a problem at all. In fact it should be encouraged!


If only they had the ability to prioritize and organize their changes...Hey, since you seem to be so good at organizing their work, maybe you should get a job there to do just that.


Yes, that's exactly what I'm insinuating.
1) Yes, they are. I use the sort function several times every day and have not yet been failed by it.

2) Really? Define "large number." Have stats to back it up. Besides, is none of my concern what they do/don't do with their credits. And... what mistake? Their mistake or a mistake in the game?

3) Don't be silly. Although, if I managed to get the job, that would imply that I AM qualified to prioritize the work and I would do just that. FYI: I have plenty of project management experience and am probably better qualified for this than you think. But, I don't work at BW, so I'll let them decide. They obviously don't think it's high priority, either, or it would have been changed. How long this game has been here?

4) Since you have all the answers, maybe you should focus on fixing the world's real problems. We'd thank you for it.
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Kaz-Res
09.26.2014 , 09:43 AM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
You haven't proved anything. You have stated an opinion that you have no valid proof to back up.

If you get "scammed" it is because you aren't using the sort system already available in game and you aren't reading the prices. Again, the tools are already there and if you can't use them properly why is it the companies fault?

By your reasoning, we should just get rid of the per item column of the GTN and go simply with the overall price which can not have decimal places.

Of course, then people will complain that there is another problem with the GTN that isn't really a problem for people who pay attention to what they are doing.
I have won more than 30 millions in around 1 hour and a half playing time. If you don't consider that a valid argument, then I don't know what else to say

I believe for most common folks that is more than they will ever see. And I have done it in a casual way. If I had actually watched the prices closely and adjusted my own exploiting stacks once or twice per day, and put more than 3 of 4 different materials on the gtn imagine what the income would have been.

And I don't know why you say that, by my reasoning, we should just get rid of the per item column of the GTN, I haven't said nothing like that! Not at all. Have you actually read my post? because if you do, and you actually understood that then Im explaining myself in the wrong way

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MillionsKNives
09.26.2014 , 09:51 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by AlienEyeTX View Post
1) Yes, they are. I use the sort function several times every day and have not yet been failed by it.
Aside from the bugs with sorting, for the purpose of properly conveying the amount that you are about to spend it is lacking and could easily be improved to avoid the situation we are discussing.

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2) Really? Define "large number." Have stats to back it up. Besides, is none of my concern what they do/don't do with their credits. And... what mistake? Their mistake or a mistake in the game?
The fact that Kaz-Res was able to rake in over 1.5 million credits a day is large enough for me. No one cares if you're concerned or not with other peoples credits. This is a suggestion to BioWare not you.

The mistake is theirs, but the way the UI is currently implemented facilitates the mistake.

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3) Don't be silly. Although, if I managed to get the job, that would imply that I AM qualified to prioritize the work and I would do just that. FYI: I have plenty of project management experience and am probably better qualified for this than you think. But, I don't work at BW, so I'll let them decide. They obviously don't think it's high priority, either, or it would have been changed. How long this game has been here?
I only first heard the issue brought up a couple weeks ago with the "scam" thread, and think it's a legitimate complaint. It doesn't matter how long it's been around if the issue was only noticed recently. And I think the more that the issue is discussed the more the problem will grow, until it is fixed.

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4) Since you have all the answers, maybe you should focus on fixing the world's real problems. We'd thank you for it.
Don't worry, I'm working on those too. Even with bigger things to work on, I can still spare 20 minutes every so often for smaller issues.

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Kaz-Res
09.26.2014 , 10:04 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
The fact that Kaz-Res was able to rake in over 1.5 million credits a day is large enough for me…

I only first heard the issue brought up a couple weeks ago with the "scam" thread, and think it's a legitimate complaint. It doesn't matter how long it's been around if the issue was only noticed recently. And I think the more that the issue is discussed the more the problem will grow, until it is fixed…
I was scammed by this same method arround 16 or 17 of july. I know because I put a ticket five or six days later, explaining how does the method works, and I have the answer on my mail the 29 of july. I wrote 3 tickets since then…
My benefits actually support my theory, and how the system IS manipulable.

I actually believe that the fanatically discussion we are seeing is the ultimate effort of some people to defend their golden chicken. I don't find other explanation

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eartharioch
09.26.2014 , 11:54 AM | #98
While it may be "easy" for "smart people" to ignore all of these scams, it's still really annoying. I can ignore spam in my inbox, but I still don't like it there. All of these scams may be easy to detect, but they still clutter up the GTN and force people to wade through them in order to get to the "real" offers. Yes, I can click to sort by unit price, and I can tell which one is high and which one is low, but when there are five pages of results and three of them are for scams (a typical number), it's clear that there is a problem.

But the gold farmers and scammers don't want BW to take even the most remedial measure of actually lining up the unit prices and consistently displaying them to the same number of decimal places, so they come here and say that it's not a problem and try to blame the victims.
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KonichiwaWitch
09.26.2014 , 12:00 PM | #99
As someone who works with thousands of numbers, financials, spreadsheets on a daily basis, and would also love it if they formatted every price consistently, whether it shows prices with zero or two decimals. It seems like a very simple quality of life improvement, that would really help with people making mistakes.

I think I've done every stupid thing on the GTN including:
1. Bought 3 turadium for 1 million credits from someone.
2. Omitted a zero when listing some MK-9 augment kits while in a hurry (I am so happy for whoever got this fabulous deal)
3. Bought 99 of a decoration, thinking I was buying 1. (Completely my own fault, but I'm slowly making a small profit selling the excess decorations, and now my balcony in Coruscant has a fabulous theme!).

I've also bought items that were obvious mistakenly priced, and then contacted the seller to see if they wanted to buy them back from me.

I don't think that I'm a "stupid person who deserves to be taken advantage of". I am however, someone who needs glasses, and someone who's game sometimes lags when sorting listings. To idiot-proof myself, I now triple check everything that I buy and sell, and browse with an alt with a limited amount of credits so I can't accidentally buy something.

As far as the moral debate in the other thread, I agree that everyone has the right to set prices how they choose. However, I think that intentionally trying to trick others into paying more than they intended shows a lot about someone's character. Perhaps it shows a lot about my character that I know obnoxiously undercut the particular person who fooled me when I see their other listings on the GTN.

Anyways, a simple change to the formatting of prices would help a lot of headache.

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DOHboy
09.26.2014 , 12:12 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by KonichiwaWitch View Post
As someone who works with thousands of numbers, financials, spreadsheets on a daily basis, and would also love it if they formatted every price consistently, whether it shows prices with zero or two decimals. It seems like a very simple quality of life improvement, that would really help with people making mistakes.

I think I've done every stupid thing on the GTN including:
1. Bought 3 turadium for 1 million credits from someone.
2. Omitted a zero when listing some MK-9 augment kits while in a hurry (I am so happy for whoever got this fabulous deal)
3. Bought 99 of a decoration, thinking I was buying 1. (Completely my own fault, but I'm slowly making a small profit selling the excess decorations, and now my balcony in Coruscant has a fabulous theme!).

I've also bought items that were obvious mistakenly priced, and then contacted the seller to see if they wanted to buy them back from me.

I don't think that I'm a "stupid person who deserves to be taken advantage of". I am however, someone who needs glasses, and someone who's game sometimes lags when sorting listings. To idiot-proof myself, I now triple check everything that I buy and sell, and browse with an alt with a limited amount of credits so I can't accidentally buy something.

As far as the moral debate in the other thread, I agree that everyone has the right to set prices how they choose. However, I think that intentionally trying to trick others into paying more than they intended shows a lot about someone's character. Perhaps it shows a lot about my character that I know obnoxiously undercut the particular person who fooled me when I see their other listings on the GTN.

Anyways, a simple change to the formatting of prices would help a lot of headache.

To most people on here its the problem that it is up to bioware to add in a feature preventing them from doing something stupid.

guess what i've never done anything stupid on the GTN i always check the prices, double check and tripple check. If I find something super cheap i buy it right away and resell later.

If i find something super expensive I will try to undercut and sell cheaper in hopes of meeting a need and making a sale.

But the difference is I don't expect a company to make a tool so that it it panders to those that some how manage to survive daily life with the simple things.

Help yourself first, don't expect (demand) others make your life easier.