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CelCawdro
09.26.2014 , 08:31 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Arkerus, I think you know that no such hard evidence exists. However, it is pretty clear that EA promotes the games it feels are doing well, and at one point SWTOR was not likely in it's favorite corner.

However, it looks like that has likely changed.

It is really just speculation by almost anyone that posts this sort of thing.
Daniel Erickson actually was pretty candid about EA's influence in the later beta stages of the game. I'm just not about to drudge up old interviews and archived beta posts for someone so obviously combative.

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LordArtemis
09.26.2014 , 08:34 AM | #52
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Daniel Erickson actually was pretty candid about EA's influence in the later beta stages of the game. I'm just not about to drudge up old interviews and archived beta posts for someone so obviously combative.
It's likely just me, but I take anything that DE said and apply the same validity that I would to, perhaps a used car salesman. That does not mean your contention is incorrect, only that for me pointing out comments made by DE does not help the point being made.

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09.26.2014 , 08:34 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Arkerus, I think you know that no such hard evidence exists. However, it is pretty clear that EA promotes the games it feels are doing well, and at one point SWTOR was not likely in it's favorite corner.

However, it looks like that has likely changed.

It is really just speculation by almost anyone that posts this sort of thing.
So he should admit that. It was a ridiculous statement to begin with. When people make claims like that, they should be prepared to back it up. When he presented his argument, i took an open view, read it, and found nothing that supported the claim.

People sling the most absurd claims around and get huffy when asked to back up that claim.
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Pietrastor
09.26.2014 , 08:36 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
Don't misread me - I highly doubt the rug will be pulled out from under BioWare for a good, long time. That being said, while I would not contend that the game is on "life support" or some other such nonsense, I do not believe that it is receiving the attention (and resources) from EA to maintain a steady stream of quality content - attention it would be receiving if it had lived up to the impossible goals that EA had for the game. Goals that their meddling actively hindered, in hindsight.
Look no further than another EA MMO - Warhammer Online, and compare the steady stream of updates TOR is getting, along with consistient mentions in fiscal reports AND recent presence at EA's Gamescom press conference. Obviously the game is back in executives' favour, even if not on WOW-level.

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Arkerus
09.26.2014 , 08:39 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
Daniel Erickson actually was pretty candid about EA's influence in the later beta stages of the game. I'm just not about to drudge up old interviews and archived beta posts for someone so obviously combative.
EA asking the developers to be done by Christmas has NOTHING to do with having a "no confidence" vote. If anything, EA asking the developers to finish the product was EA saying "we have to go because its time for your product to hit the market." It has nothing to do with confidence. Shoot, if anything, it says "we have confidence so its time to hit the shelf."

Again, you SPECULATE that EA has no confidence in this product, today. Back up your claim or admit it was silly speculation.

You and I both know you can't back it up.
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LordArtemis
09.26.2014 , 08:39 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
So he should admit that. It was a ridiculous statement to begin with. When people make claims like that, they should be prepared to back it up. When he presented his argument, i took an open view, read it, and found nothing that supported the claim.

People sling the most absurd claims around and get huffy when asked to back up that claim.
...you mean the kind of claims like "no one cares"?

I understand your point. But your not innocent with respect to hyperbole yourself Arkerus IMO. I believe many of us have made comments here that are "questionable" opinions. To question the validity of the opinion or point out it's speculative nature is certainly appropriate, but perhaps toning down the rhetoric a bit might be appropriate in the responses.

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CelCawdro
09.26.2014 , 08:41 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Pietrastor View Post
Look no further than another EA MMO - Warhammer Online, and compare the steady stream of updates TOR is getting, along with consistient mentions in fiscal reports AND recent presence at EA's Gamescom press conference. Obviously the game is back in executives' favour, even if not on WOW-level.
Warhammer was actually "merged" with BioWare for the purpose of gutting the Mythic development team and putting them to work on SW:TOR. The PvP systems are nigh identical, as are a few of the warzones. The mechanics behind tanking, most specifically, are identical in PvP and PvE.

EA lost faith in that game, gave them a little freedom for a few years to do whatever they wished, gutted the talent behind it in order to get the Next Big Thing going, then pulled the plug after letting in linger for awhile in maintenance mode. We're currently in that "freedom" stage with SW:TOR. I'll be watching their next MMO announcement with a degree of caution.

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09.26.2014 , 08:42 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
...you mean the kind of claims like "no one cares"?

I understand your point. But your not innocent with respect to hyperbole yourself Arkerus IMO. I believe many of us have made comments here that are "questionable" opinions. To question the validity of the opinion is certainly appropriate, but perhaps toning down the rhetoric a bit might be appropriate in the responses.
Sure. I think you can look back at the post. I was extremely clean and clear in what I asked. Should I have pasted a bunch of smiley faces and sunglasses? In fact, I thought I was being very reasonable.

I think its fair to say this well off course now.

To his credit, if we get a big push back on 3.0 and they actually say something crazy like "its not coming", then we have evidence EA isn't funding the product. But something tells me that isn't going to happen.
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Sarfux
09.26.2014 , 08:44 AM | #59
Star Wars: The Old Republic is a great game that will continue to grow and get bigger and better as time goes on Rome wasn't built in a day
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CelCawdro
09.26.2014 , 08:47 AM | #60
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It's likely just me, but I take anything that DE said and apply the same validity that I would to, perhaps a used car salesman. That does not mean your contention is incorrect, only that for me pointing out comments made by DE does not help the point being made.
There were the remarks he made on the press circuit and remarks he made on the forums and in fan interviews. Sure, he liked to dodge a lot of questions, but he was quite clear in the reasons behind the nerfing of the modding system and the implementation of Hammerpoint Station. The former was a mandate to adhere to a system of "visual progression" in order to appeal to the current MMO market, and the latter was created simply because of an identified gap in the availability of flashpoints during leveling and the need to fill it to suit the expectations of the playerbase. Both were sudden reversals of previous stances. Both were thinly-veiled attempts to emulate WarCraft. Not to mention the post-release months in which development focused almost entirely on the raid treadmill instead of the unique strengths of SW:TOR, essentially being developed for a playerbase of other more-established games instead of the people that were actually here.

Alas, the forums have such a short memory. What was one day common knowledge becomes an outrageous claim the next. While I will go out of my way to refresh the memories of those who are clearly interested and civil, I will not extend that courtesy to those who do not have those traits.
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