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Guildship for smaller guilds idea

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EvenHardNiner
09.23.2014 , 11:22 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by ikinai View Post
Why do you care if he wants to present an idea to expand the conquest system and asks other player to give ideas on expanding it? He didn't ask to lower the price, he didn't say it was hard to get, he suggested adding a third ship and asked for ideas, which you are sorely lacking in by the way, on how it could work. So it seems to me that you are barking up the wrong tree here.
"No, I DONT want this"

That's pretty much his argument lol ^

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DarthTHC
09.23.2014 , 11:22 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by ikinai View Post
Why do you care if he wants to present an idea to expand the conquest system and asks other player to give ideas on expanding it? He didn't ask to lower the price, he didn't say it was hard to get, he suggested adding a third ship and asked for ideas, which you are sorely lacking in by the way, on how it could work. So it seems to me that you are barking up the wrong tree here.
Again... He is not looking to expand the conquest system. He is looking for a less expensive entry point into it.

Did you miss how he opened the OP?


Quote: Originally Posted by stevmed View Post
To start I know 50 million isn't hard to get but this is just my fun idea to allow smaller more casual guild a chance to do conquest.
He then continues to ask for a lower price (highlighting mine):

Quote: Originally Posted by stevmed View Post
My idea is to add a third type of Guildship that is smaller then the other two currently out there and makes sense lore wise to be available to both factions. This ship will also be smaller and at a more lower price that can be worked out so more casual and f2p can participate.
He did not offer any ideas for expanded activities. At all. He asked for a cheaper entry point. That is all.

Now THIS guy, HE offered a suggestion that actually expands Conquest instead of just "make it cheaper, plz".


Quote: Originally Posted by azudelphi View Post
How about a "Fleet Management Module" for Flagships with an interface that allows buying more strongholds for the Guild that are additional ships. This allows more variety while still gating everything to the guildship. It also makes the guildship a more desirable purchase.

Could be something that requires some effort to obtain, but isn't tied to the leaderboards.

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DarthTHC
09.23.2014 , 11:25 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by EvenHardNiner View Post
You say it as if entry into the conquest system for more people is bad? Don't you like to be competitive? You're barking up the wrong tree here.
LMAO, any guild that can't earn 50 mil will not be competition in conquest for any guild that can. That's farcicle.

If a guild can't be troubled to earn the entry into conquest, they will be absolutely unable to place on the leaderboard. I'm thinking to the future here. If they get their cheap entry, the next round of complaints will be to make it easier for them to get that set of rewards.

People who can't be troubled to earn the ship will keep complaining even if the game hands them the ship. It's endless. They need to grow up, step up, and do what it takes to earn it. It's not even hard.

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EvenHardNiner
09.23.2014 , 11:25 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Not everything is available to F2P and Preferred players. You want to play? Pay. Reward the developers for their hard work. Maybe, just maybe, if you do that... they'll get to keep working hard and keep producing more cool stuff for us to do.

If you don't know how to make credits as a subscriber (and I care not one whit if you're not a subscriber) please go visit the crew skills forums. You can make a million a week starting this week starting from nothing if you would only put in the little bit of effort to learn how to do it.

If you are unwilling to put in that little, tiny bit of effort, that is your choice. Mature, rational individuals do not complain when the choices they make result in foreseeable consequences.

50 million is easy. But you have to actually be willing to try. It's not a participation trophy, and the rewards that come afterwards aren't participation trophies, either. They also have to be earned.
So basically you're saying

1. Give money to the game if you want to play
2. Learn to play the game
3. Put in effort

None of those points have anything to do what the OP is saying.

Let me make it simple for you to understand.

The OP is suggesting they add in smaller guild ships for smaller guilds, so they can start having a go at conquest themselves. The OP is NOT asking for the guild ships (the ones we have now) to be easier to get.

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ikinai
09.23.2014 , 11:27 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Again... He is not looking to expand the conquest system. He is looking for a less expensive entry point into it.

Did you miss how he opened the OP?




He then continues to ask for a lower price (highlighting mine):



He did not offer any ideas for expanded activities. At all. He asked for a cheaper entry point. That is all.

Now THIS guy, HE offered a suggestion that actually expands Conquest instead of just "make it cheaper, plz".
And you missed the part or deliberately left the part off about discussing it to make it a better idea. You see that's the part that makes it a good idea. You have to have the genesis of an idea, it has to start somewhere. Then you work on it. The idea was, let's have a lower price point to enter into the conquest system. Then he asks, how can we make this work? How can we make that idea better?

So we, as intelligent beings of mature abilities said; I've got an idea.

Those who aren't as mature said; Lol, 50 mil is easy, what do you want a participation trophy?
I'll tell you what, then. Why don't you call me some time when you have no class?
--Rodney Dangerfield Back to School
Is this referral mic on? It's free stuff and stuff, in game.

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EvenHardNiner
09.23.2014 , 11:28 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Again... He is not looking to expand the conquest system. He is looking for a less expensive entry point into it.

Did you miss how he opened the OP?
What exactly is wrong with participating in conquest? So what if smaller guilds join? It's not like they're going to have a chance against the bigger guilds....

Quote:
He then continues to ask for a lower price (highlighting mine):

[font="Open Sans,Sans"][color="#53ea8a"]He did not offer any ideas for expanded activities. At all. He asked for a cheaper entry point. That is all.
Yes...a lower price FOR SMALLER GUILDS.

What exactly is the problem here?

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DarthTHC
09.23.2014 , 11:28 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by EvenHardNiner View Post
So basically you're saying

1. Give money to the game if you want to play
2. Learn to play the game
3. Put in effort

None of those points have anything to do what the OP is saying.

Let me make it simple for you to understand.

The OP is suggesting they add in smaller guild ships for smaller guilds, so they can start having a go at conquest themselves. The OP is NOT asking for the guild ships (the ones we have now) to be easier to get.
It's the same thing. Give me a cheaper way to get into conquest so I can get my rear handed to me and complain about that, next.

Yes, I'm saying if you want the content, go earn it. If you want to defeat hard and nightmare mode ops, learn to play and put in the effort to get the gear. If you want to win at PvP, learn to play and put in the effort to get the gear. If you want to participate in conquest, learn to play and get the gear (ship).

The concept is as old as the genre.

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DarthTHC
09.23.2014 , 11:30 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by EvenHardNiner View Post
What exactly is wrong with participating in conquest? So what if smaller guilds join? It's not like they're going to have a chance against the bigger guilds....

Yes...a lower price FOR SMALLER GUILDS.

What exactly is the problem here?
You showed the problem right there. The smaller guilds will complain their way in, discover that they can't come close to Top 10, then complain some more about that. It's a never-ending cycle that ends only when the game is so dumbed down nothing is a challenge or the complainers step up and learn to earn it.

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EvenHardNiner
09.23.2014 , 11:30 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
[font="Open Sans,Sans"][color="#53ea8a"]LMAO, any guild that can't earn 50 mil will not be competition in conquest for any guild that can. That's farcicle.
What exactly is the problem here? Why don't you want smaller guilds participating?

Quote:
If a guild can't be troubled to earn the entry into conquest, they will be absolutely unable to place on the leaderboard. I'm thinking to the future here. If they get their cheap entry, the next round of complaints will be to make it easier for them to get that set of rewards.


People who can't be troubled to earn the ship will keep complaining even if the game hands them the ship. It's endless. They need to grow up, step up, and do what it takes to earn it. It's not even hard.
So basically your main reason for not wanting this is because "they will complain"??? Wow very good argument you have there

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EvenHardNiner
09.23.2014 , 11:31 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
You showed the problem right there. The smaller guilds will complain their way in, discover that they can't come close to Top 10, then complain some more about that. It's a never-ending cycle that ends only when the game is so dumbed down nothing is a challenge or the complainers step up and learn to earn it.
So in a nutshell, you don't like the idea of having smaller guild ships for smaller guilds because they will complain?

Gotcha.

And you've completely dismissed the benefits such as
-Guild participation
-F2P can participate
-Gives smaller guilds a ship they can hang about on

And tbh, one person in my guild got 500k conquest points last week. Actually, smaller guilds CAN participate against the bigger guilds. Adding a smaller guild ship will mean more people can join and there will be more competiion = a good thing