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Altyrell
09.15.2014 , 07:52 PM | #41
Adding in Gambling, that ONLY uses IN GAME Currency does NOT and will NOT increase the Game's ESRB Rating.

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

TEEN

Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

Simulated Gambling - Player can gamble without betting or wagering real cash or currency
Real Gambling - Player can gamble, including betting or wagering real cash or currency

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Malastare
09.16.2014 , 12:03 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Altyrell View Post
Adding in Gambling, that ONLY uses IN GAME Currency does NOT and will NOT increase the Game's ESRB Rating.
Yup. Thanks for including the link, too. They already added in simulated gambling. No ratings change.

So, again: There is no evidence to suggest that Pazaak/Sabacc wasn't added due to concerns over gambling.

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Aalin
09.16.2014 , 01:56 AM | #43
There is a browser pazaak game that you can play if it means that much to you:

http://www.pazaak.org/play

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Tellenn
09.16.2014 , 02:23 AM | #44
By introducing CC they pretty much ruled any gambling mini games between two player out.

Also it would bring up big gold seller issues.
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09.16.2014 , 03:15 AM | #45
Or it could be that whoever goes first is always at a disadvantage. In a single player game that just fine but people want Pazaak so they can play the game with other players. How do you do it in a multi player game that is fair to all involved? Random is only fair over a long period of time and people just trying it out could end up winning tons or losing just as much because the RNG gods decided it was or was not their day to win.
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Xatasha
09.16.2014 , 03:32 AM | #46
One of the main problems games like SWTOR, pokemon and other multiplayer games is that different states and countries have many different laws about on line gambling. Here in Hawaii it would become and issue because of the poorly written gambling laws here.

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HelinCarnate
09.16.2014 , 04:54 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Xatasha View Post
One of the main problems games like SWTOR, pokemon and other multiplayer games is that different states and countries have many different laws about on line gambling. Here in Hawaii it would become and issue because of the poorly written gambling laws here.
Don't know how many times we have to go over this but its not gambling if you are not using real money. And no it would not be an issue in HI.
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Malastare
09.16.2014 , 05:13 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Xatasha View Post
One of the main problems games like SWTOR, pokemon and other multiplayer games is that different states and countries have many different laws about on line gambling. Here in Hawaii it would become and issue because of the poorly written gambling laws here.
Nope, it wouldn't.

There is no place in the US where playing a video game that simulates gambling violates any laws.

Again: The inclusion of Pazaak/Sabacc is not held back by gambling laws, regulations, or ratings. The gambling aspect is not the issue.

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Aries_cz
09.16.2014 , 05:56 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Capt_Beers View Post
Because they can't make money off of it. They wouldn't be able to add CC to pazaak with out all sorts of legal/rating crap to deal with so it would have to be done with credits. At this point if it can't be tied into the CM it's highly unlikely to be seen as worth the time/money to develop.

It might be possible that it could be in an expansion like 3.0 (i doubt it will be but if it's coming that's when it it will come) since the expansion will be a paid expansion.
Actually, tying it into CM would not be that much of a problem. Just add "booster packs" to CM, or special "foil" card conversion items (that convert whatever card you have into foil version of it), and you are set.
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Aries_cz
09.16.2014 , 05:58 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Zyrious View Post
Yeah, i remember how Pazaak made Kotor 18+. Oh wait. Make Pazaak played against AI players only and there's no issue. They just don't want to take the time to code it, but considering how complicated Space, GSF, etc. are, Pazaak and swoop racing should be a breeze, and you have credit sinks like buying new cards too. Just have AI players at each cantina that get harder the higher level planet you go, higher payouts but higher losses. Keep away from pvp pazaak and you'll be fine. Since it's game credits, it is not gambling under US law, especially with AI.

And unlike with Kotor, we can't reload after a loss, so Pazaak will be much spendier in SWTOR than in kotor XD
Adding Pazaak vs AI to SWTOR makes no sense whatsoever and you just end up with the same thing as GSF did, forums going in uproar "this is not what we constructed in our heads, this sucks".
And no coding (and then testing) is EVER a breeze
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