ETA on Advanced Class change?

Because they are fundamentally different. I don't know why this is so hard to grasp. An operative is not a sniper and a sniper is not an operative. They play nothing alike. They are their own unique class. Ones a damn stealther and the other a is ranged class.

Hard to grasp?

Does a shadow priest play like a holy priest? I am frankly mystified by your level of lack of understanding here.

SPECS ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. But they are NOT classes. They are SPECS. Fundamentally different play does not, I repeat DOES NOT define something as a class.

Obviously. Otherwise this argument for AC change would not even exist. Heck, spec swap wouldnt likely exist either.

I am beginning to think you are trying to sabotage the discussion against AC change on purpose.

If your not going to help the movement against AC change, why participate in the discussion?

I think the point is that it's a slippery slope to what is allowed to be purchased in game without working for it. You say you are going from 1 toon to 1 toon, but I have 2 toons to have both ACs and have to grind out two sets of gear or move gear around in ugly Legacy gear to have 2 sets.

So you'll have those with money that can have 2 ACs with 1 toon, while others have to work twice as hard to do the same thing. If you're ok with this, then why should I have to get tank and DPS gear for my Jugg when I already got one set? Wouldn't it just be better to have an option to pay money to swap my DPS gear to tank gear? I mean, I'm trading in one set of gear for another. Less grind is better?

Lets put one argument to bed please.

Classes are classes. Classes are not advanced classes. Classes are not specs.
Advanced Classes are advanced classes. Advanced Classes are not classes. Advanced classes are not specs.
Specs are specializations. Specs are not classes. Specs are not advanced classes.

I think the above are some definitions we can all agree on. Now that we have that cleared up, we can now begin to realize that it doesn't matter because there isn't some universal rule imposed by any industry, government, or Illumanati affiliated group that says any of the 3 can't be change if BioWare deems it necessary.

*facedesk*

Its amazing how you don't understand anything being said, or anyone here for that matter.

Well, I point to the idea that folks do not seem to be clamoring for class change, and that stands in evidence as to why folks are asking for AC change.

If AC was designed to feel like a unique class like base class is, then I expect the argument would not exist. In fact, if we started as our AC from level 1 things might be different.

They designed ACs as very unique spec branches, but presented them as classes. That is where everything went wrong IMO.

Slippery slope is a argument fallacy. Allowing a person to breath is a slippery slope because they could use that breath to stay alive, and then use their life to kill innocent people. See? Slippery slope. Of course, my example is total bull. That's what a slippery slope is. Bull. Just because BW lets us swap ACs doesn't mean they have to let us buy level 55 toons, or buy BiS gear.

As for your gear swap thing...honestly, who cares? If there was a vendor that let you swap mods and CC for a new mod of the same level and quality, what do I care if you want to dump a bunch of cash on this game and change your dps into a tank or vice versa? Granted, I play for the PvP, so gear grind is a means to an end (and even then, an obnoxious one that needs to be abolished), not the end itself. For PvE, you play to just get the gear, so a gear shortcut essentially cuts out how much PvE endgame you do.

Which is another distinction. AC swap lets people skip past the leveling portion. Not the end game. And it doesn't let someone skip the leveling on a story line they've never done. Only let's them skip the leveling on content they've already run.

And if you're real concern is that someone who has a bunch of money (and is willing to waste it) has an easier go of it than those without...I mean, that's real life, isn't it? And this is a product that a for-profit company is selling. MMO communities are one of the more unique consumers out there. They have the notion that, even though you pay for your product, you should have to work to get satisfaction out of it. This isn't a life, and it isn't a job. It's a game. Why shouldn't some conveniences and shortcuts exist for those who are willing to pay for it?

I would just like the conversation to have some depth without the logical fallacies.

In my opinion, the only argument that is needed for why the feature shouldn't be implemented is presented to a player every single time they interact with an Advanced Class trainer NPC. It clearly states that this decision is permanent. That would be more than enough of reason to satisfy me if I were to ask Bioware why the feature doesn't exist and isn't on the table for future consideration.

However, I recognize that the feature really doesn't detract from my experience in the game in any way, so if people want to ask for it and have discussions about it, then I believe they have every right to do so. If the feature were to be added to the game, I would probably use it at least once. I'm just not that fond of my Jugg any longer. I've been leveling a Mara alt, and I have no qualms continuing to do so, but the Jugg has titles, mounts, pets, and datacrons that I spent a lot of time acquiring. If I could change that Jugg into a Mara for a small fee, I would be quite pleased to do so. If I can never make the change, I'm not out anything either.

Apparently though, someone here thinks this makes me lazy. lol

Sniper is a 35m ranged class. Operative is stealth melee class. Merc is a 30m ranged class turret. PT is a melee class. Sage is a 30m caster. Assassins is a melee stealth class. Jugg/Marauder are the only classes that are even remotely similar to each other, and even then they play differently enough to distinquish the two as being unique classes.

Every single AC plays fundamentally different. They are different classes. The fact that anyone is even comparing any of them to being similar is insane.

The "problem" is people don't want to put any effort into anything. The other AC is now FOTM so they want to switch and have free reign. I mean damn, at this point why don't we just get free 180 gear to? I no longer feel like tanking. Can I pay to "respec" my gear to full dps set? The logic is exactly the same.