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I think I know why there's no Pazaak

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I think I know why there's no Pazaak

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Raansu
09.15.2014 , 09:51 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
In theory they could add Cartel Coins as well, as they have no actual cash value. That's *kind of* why you can buy online "Cash Shop" currency rather than directly buying the items. That way, if you complain you didn't, say, get an item you wanted from a Pack, BioWare can legally say you got the Cartel Coins you ordered, and were never entailed to so and so item.

But anyway:

I do also want to see Pazaak, Dejarik, or Sabaac in the game. If that meant going by Republic Senate Rules (free games), so be it! It's a worthy sacrifice.
I wouldn't be a fan of it, but CC packs really wouldn't be any different than card packs in say hearthstone. I'd rather pazaak have nothing to do with the CM though. Just let it be a damn mini card game just like how it was in kotor.

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Hebruixe
09.15.2014 , 10:09 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by raansu View Post
*cough* cartel packs *cough*

*cough* nar shadaa gambling event *cough*
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EnzoForMe
09.15.2014 , 10:11 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Zyrious View Post
And unlike with Kotor, we can't reload after a loss, so Pazaak will be much spendier in SWTOR than in kotor XD
Lol I always felt so dirty doing that but sometimes the AI would get luck that seemed to exceed the realm of possibility. Three natural 20s in a row for his hand is a little suspicious.
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SHAVEDKILLER
09.15.2014 , 10:13 AM | #24
If you dont think packs are gambling youve been and are asleep.
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Khevar
09.15.2014 , 10:14 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by EnzoForMe View Post
Lol I always felt so dirty doing that but sometimes the AI would get luck that seemed to exceed the realm of possibility. Three natural 20s in a row for his hand is a little suspicious.
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Lotharofxev
09.15.2014 , 10:15 AM | #26
There are many online Pazaak simulators.

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Sith-Viscera
09.15.2014 , 10:19 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Brainiacblue View Post
This - SWTOR cannot have proper gambling for credits because this game is pushing its age rating as it is.
Please, freaking parents or the majority these days buys adult games for their underage kids, games like GTA: SA, GTA:4
GTA:5 and a slew of other video games. You Can not compare those types of games to SWTOR, you just can't.
So what i'm getting at, if BW implemented Pazaak into TOR and lets say it brought the games rating level over 18+, Parents will still buy a STAR WARS game regardless of ratings.


So bring on Pazaak!!!
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Malastare
09.15.2014 , 10:30 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by errant_knight View Post
After talking to a friend about how gambling rings were formed in another mmo using the minigames, I think I have a handle on why there's no Pazaak. There isn't much in the game as it stands that could be bet on or used to create gambling. Pazaak would be different.
This has been argued many, many times in the past. There are two main issues: Legal and Moral.

Legal: Legally speaking, in virtually every jurisdiction this game is played in, placing bets with in-game currency does not satisfy the legal definition of real-world gambling. In order to qualify as real-world gambling, you would need to be able to convert the winnings of the game into real-world currency (or in some jurisdictions: items that hold real-world value). So long as Bioware makes you gamble with in-game credits or tokens (which have no legal value) and reward you with in-game credits or tokens and provide no in-game mechanism for converting those to currency, then its not gambling, its simply game play. This is why Pazaak wasn't an issue in KoTOR, why the "gambling" vendors in Diablo II weren't an issue, and why there are perfectly legal poker and blackjack apps for my phone.

Moral: Morally, you can argue that any time someone is given the option to pay money to receive a random outcome, that it can invoke the psychological effect of gambling, even if the legal definition is not met. In that respect, Cartel packs are "gambling". But then again, so are gumball machines and claw-machines, baseball cards and cracker jack boxes. There are no set rules about where to draw the line, and since it is based on morals not objective facts, it's virtually guaranteed that there will be disagreement on just how far to go. Just as likely are the people who will be upset over being limited based on someone else's morals. There is an argument to make here about trying to avoid feeding people's gambling addiction with quasi-gambling activities, but if someone is going to seek out quasi-gambling activities to feed their habit, SWTOR certainly wouldn't be their first or last option.

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discbox
09.15.2014 , 10:39 AM | #29
Pazaak would make the game awesome.

And thats not BioWares strategy.

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SgtJeremy
09.15.2014 , 11:19 AM | #30
Why can't they have Pazaak without gambling? Just make it a mini game and the only reward is the satisfaction of winning. Or am I dumb for suggesting that?
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