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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Raansu
09.15.2014 , 09:12 AM | #5461
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
This is exactly why I'm in favor of it. Players right now are asked to pick heads or tails at level 10...if they pick "wrong", they need to re-roll. I think that's silly. Allowing an AC swap is nothing more than giving the players the freedom to play a role they want at end-game. It bypasses nothing, as they've already leveled their character. It doesn't give more companions, it doesn't allow them to craft more...it simply allows them to switch to a role that may keep them around longer.
The game tells you EXACTLY what roles each advanced class plays as well as the weapon types and what armor they wear and you can even select the inspect button to get more details. Asking for an AC swap is like asking to go from a priest to a paladin in WoW. The classes are completely different. If you wanted tank instead of heal then you should have chosen the AC that could tank.

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Savej
09.15.2014 , 09:14 AM | #5462
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
As far as AC change goes....No, just not. Reroll if you want to play something else.
Reroll if you want to change specs? Reroll if you want to change from dps to tank? Or reroll if you want to switch from one lightsaber to two? It sounds like you're just arguing against the idea because you don't like the idea of change in general. For my part I've got several sentinels and several guardians but i'd love to occasionally switch the ac on a couple of them.

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Orizuru
09.15.2014 , 09:15 AM | #5463
I fail to see how the the resolution of the argument about the definition of "class" versus "advanced class" has any real bearing in the context of an advanced class change feature. Seems an awful lot like a strawman to me.

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Raansu
09.15.2014 , 09:18 AM | #5464
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For my part I've got several sentinels and several guardians but i'd love to occasionally switch the ac on a couple of them.
That sounds incredibly silly.

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waterboytkd
09.15.2014 , 09:19 AM | #5465
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
The game tells you EXACTLY what roles each advanced class plays as well as the weapon types and what armor they wear and you can even select the inspect button to get more details. Asking for an AC swap is like asking to go from a priest to a paladin in WoW. The classes are completely different. If you wanted tank instead of heal then you should have chosen the AC that could tank.
And if you were brand new to MMOs, would you really know what you wanted to do? AC switching can allow newer players to rectify bad decisions without the onerous task of 'reroll'. It also allows the fickle to experiment. It even allows the munchkins to swap to the new shiny.

And it does that while making BW money. And once implemented, it will keep generating revenue. For ever. Bringing in a constant stream of money, allowing BW to worry a little less about monetizng the CM, and focus on QoL and content a little more. Granted, I said 'allow', not guaranteeing that's what BW does.
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Raansu
09.15.2014 , 09:24 AM | #5466
Quote: Originally Posted by Orizuru View Post
I fail to see how the the resolution of the argument about the definition of "class" versus "advanced class" has any real bearing in the context of an advanced class change feature. Seems an awful lot like a strawman to me.
Because a shadow plays nothing like a sage. A gunslinger plays nothing like a scoundrel. A commando plays nothing like a vanguard. Guardian would be the only thing that even comes close to being similar to sentinel, and only in focus spec.

Classes sharing some baseline skills doesn't make them the same. They are each their own unique class. If you wanted to play a ranged class instead of a stealther you shouldn't have leveled a stealther. People only want an AC respec so that when their AC counterpart becomes fotm they can easily swap to it.

Again, to use another example from other MMO's, asking for AC respec is like asking to go from a rogue to a ranger. They are fundamentally completely different. If you want to play a different AC then *********** reroll. Get over this silly idea of class vs advanced class. At the end of the day its a DIFFERENT CLASS and just like every other game out there, if you want to play another class you have to REROLL.

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Raansu
09.15.2014 , 09:28 AM | #5467
Quote: Originally Posted by waterboytkd View Post
And if you were brand new to MMOs, would you really know what you wanted to do? AC switching can allow newer players to rectify bad decisions without the onerous task of 'reroll'. It also allows the fickle to experiment. It even allows the munchkins to swap to the new shiny.
Its no different than any other MMO. New guy roles a tank but rather heal? Time to reroll. That's how it works. Its no different here. AC's are different classes.

I did it at launch myself. I rolled a sniper and decided I didn't like it. I got him to level 30. I said oh well and made a new toon. Not that big of a deal.

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waterboytkd
09.15.2014 , 09:29 AM | #5468
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At the end of the day its a DIFFERENT CLASS and just like every other game out there, if you want to play another class you have to REROLL.
Not entirely true. Dungeons and Dragons Online had a way to switch classes. Actually, it had a couple ways. TR, which bears a striking resemblance to rerolling but with perks such as boosted stat points and keeping all your gear, and LR +X, which would allow you to keep your level, but swap out levels from class to a new class. Granted, at level 20, you would have to go through 4 of those LR +5 hearts, but some people did it...and Turbine made mad cash off it.
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Jadescythe
09.15.2014 , 09:29 AM | #5469
Quote: Originally Posted by waterboytkd View Post
And if you were brand new to MMOs, would you really know what you wanted to do? AC switching can allow newer players to rectify bad decisions without the onerous task of 'reroll'. It also allows the fickle to experiment. It even allows the munchkins to swap to the new shiny.

And it does that while making BW money. And once implemented, it will keep generating revenue. For ever. Bringing in a constant stream of money, allowing BW to worry a little less about monetizng the CM, and focus on QoL and content a little more. Granted, I said 'allow', not guaranteeing that's what BW does.
I don't think a brand new player to MMOs would be able to understand how to play a Shadow at level 30 when they realize they don't like their Sage. They would be enormously frustrated in trying to figure out how to handle 10 new abilities and a 20m range nerf that late into the game. I don't even understand how that's an argument. This change would ONLY benefit veteran MMO players or longtime SWTOR players.
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TUXs
09.15.2014 , 09:30 AM | #5470
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
The game tells you EXACTLY what roles each advanced class plays as well as the weapon types and what armor they wear and you can even select the inspect button to get more details. Asking for an AC swap is like asking to go from a priest to a paladin in WoW. The classes are completely different. If you wanted tank instead of heal then you should have chosen the AC that could tank.
I suppose you judge books by their cover too huh? What do you know at level 10 about end game tanking? Hell, from 10-54 you never even need to tank, so why would it even matter? It's a heads or tails choice at 10.

Who cares about W0W? What the hell does W0W have to do with this? The classes are most certainly NOT as different as you profess. Not only do I share EVERY CLASS skill with the other AC (which is half of my entire skills), every AC shares an entire TREE!!!

I suppose you're against respec's as well? Hell, you should also be against alts too right? I mean, you seem to think the difference is so great that only a few have mastered the art of playing multiple roles, so I guess you think alts should be removed too right? If you want a tank, you should have rolled a tank...right? If you want a DPS, you should have rolled a DPS...I mean, since you seem to think it's such a black and white issue, how could you possibly support alts? If you did support alts, you'd be a hypocrite, because that's the same thing as swapping ACs...it's merely a role change, nothing more. Swapping from my Mando to my Vanguard is really no different than allowing an AC swap...in fact it might be worse because I then have double the companions, double the missions I can run, double the crafting classes...geezus...think of the harm alts cause.
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