Ideas to balance the overpowerd assassins, and madness sorcerers.

Oh I see.. blowing your best DCD's with long cooldowns on dots which can be more or less reapplied instantly... that will work.

Hey look its the top sage/sorcerer from bastion. and this is me being surprised that you brought nothing to the conversation...........

As my sig states, yes i'm from PoT5.
What DcD are you speaking of that scales up depending on number of targets attacking it?
This made me LOL, really.
Anyone calling madness "fluff damage" has no understanding of how PvP actually works. But please continue calling madness "fluff" damage.
I won't disagree that in terms of where the game used to be, its more balanced then its ever been. But we're not looking at an L2P issue. We're looking at a majority of players not wanting madness nerfed because they're enjoying the 4 button faceroll spam. And i'll admit (because i play both madness specs alot) it is kind of fun.

I'm hoping he is either trolling, or talking about assinate procs in madess. Otherwise

Please, PLEASE tell me you're talking about assassinate .. you should never maul in madness sin

Maul is a massive waste of precious force without duplicity or conspirator's cloak. Madness even gives you the extra surge on thrash so you don't ever need maul.

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This new sin is 35. The point I made was that there's no force management. I "have" been using maul.. Discharge - maul - crushing darkness. The force regens back so fast it doesn't matter. Again, this new sin isn't full tree and that "might" change but right now when my force is near full that's what I'm using and its working really well.

Interrupt FL and its locked out for 4s more if specced into lockout extension (which you should if in your spec tree). Without it you have to hard cast or dot someone else. Dotting is force intensive and you need to rotate a FL to keep your force up. Interrupt their FL and they can't get an instant CD which is their key damaging ability and will have to hard cast it unless they are holding onto wrath and missing out LS.

FL is boosted on the target affected by its CT dot. So its no use for target switching. Outside proccing wrath and its 50% snare its just a filler between your CD to use on your CT target to hold onto your force for your next deathmark rotation.

The only time FL evers hit hard is when cast twice under reckless and PS on your CT target. So that once every 90/120s.

Without duplicity, maul honestly doesn't even do that much damage. It's a mediocre move that needs you to be behind someone and takes up a lot of force. You need to take the surge bonus on thrash to get to raze, and if you're using maul over thrash, those points are basically wasted.

Shouldn't you still have Claws of Decay by that point? I'd think the extra Surge there would make Thrash more efficient in the long run. Haven't leveled a Sin in Madness though, so can't say for sure.

Look... let's straighten things up because I am pretty everyone is missing my point.

My toon is low in level. It is presently 35. I know from playing dumbception for ages that over force regeneration is as much of a waste as spamming high force attacks. I also know the value of opening burst vs going straight into a sustained rotation.

When i am opening up on people I am at 100 force. I also have Dark Embrace which is 50% force regeneration. If I go straight into a deathfield -> discharge -> thrash -> Crushing darkness.. my opening damage is meh. The crushing darkness cast also over regenerates my force pool. In other words I am at 100 force the moment I cast crushing darkness and I've just wasted force (~ at least 15 force).

If I choose to go deathfield ->discharge -> maul -> crushing darkness... my force pool is around 80 force.

That's why I'm doing it. I am not suggesting people run around spamming maul maul maul lol. Now later on when I have more abilities, things might change. I won't know until I am at that point. The entire reason I am leveling this new sin through madness is so I can make an informed opinion on the spec.

Is lightning burns bugged? I am at the dummy now testing force regen. The ability states that lightning charge and crushing darkness have a 100% chance to apply lightning burns to the target dealing X amount of damage and recovering 2 force after 1 second.. Crushing darkness doesn't appear to be procing lightning burns at all. Bug?

And a few seconds later the sorc hits FL again and gets his third stack within 1.5 seconds. Literally madness is the most fullproof spec. Too many instants and no real penalties for losing the one channel. Compare that to every other ranged spec.

Oh and only three AC have a purge ability and the cooldowns of those purge abilities are almost four times as long as the cooldowns on CD and DF.