Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

What is your basis for opposing a group-searching system in SWTOR?

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > Flashpoints, Operations, and Heroic Missions
What is your basis for opposing a group-searching system in SWTOR?

Satans_Chosen's Avatar


Satans_Chosen
12.26.2011 , 03:07 AM | #1
I've just now seen another thread where someone wants such system and got some heat for it. I supported the OP, and even I got some heat for it. So, I want to ask this question to all who oppose it.

In what specific way will such a system hurt you that you find it necessary to deny others this feature?

The biggest complaints I have heard are (1) it kills the community and (2) a lot of players will leave the game, possibly because it kills the community. Most of those speak from experience of WoW. If this is your issue, I would like you to describe your idea of community in SWTOR and how is that community hurt by such a system.

Personally, I do not think community should be forced on others. There are people of many different backgrounds playing SWTOR. Some like to interact extensively with others, including during the process of forming teams. Others don't. Certainly people who want to look for others on their own should not be denied that right. They are free to not use the group-searching function. I think it a foregone conclusion that anyone who uses such a system is not interested in wasting time looking for a team over the chat channels. That is not the kind of community they want to join. I see no harm that these people pose to the community of people who look for others on their own.

If, on the other hand, you simply threaten to leave the game if such a feature is added, then there is no reason to debate. Just as some players will leave if such a feature remains absent, you are free to leave if this feature offends you. In this case, it's simply up to the devs what they want to do.
Precise, Complete, Succinct

drbeat's Avatar


drbeat
12.26.2011 , 03:22 AM | #2
Community in this sense means that you play with some personal real-life friends, guildmates you like and maybe a couple people on your friends list that you thought were good tanks or whatever, instead of doing "pick up groups" where you group with random people you don't know.

In a game with no sense of community, you may group with just about anyone randomly and never see them again. In a game with a good sense of community, you will very rarely ever group with anyone you don't regularly group with, and dislike it when you do.

Riavan's Avatar


Riavan
12.26.2011 , 03:33 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by drbeat View Post
Community in this sense means that you play with some personal real-life friends, guildmates you like and maybe a couple people on your friends list that you thought were good tanks or whatever, instead of doing "pick up groups" where you group with random people you don't know.

In a game with no sense of community, you may group with just about anyone randomly and never see them again. In a game with a good sense of community, you will very rarely ever group with anyone you don't regularly group with, and dislike it when you do.
Yeah, but they could still fix this by making us goto a certain place to let us QUE and making it only with persons on our server, having no que system at all, meaning we end up spamming general chat for hours on end, is stupid.

At the moment, the abnoxious sith sorcerer who has been there for 5mins spamming "LFG" 5 lines every 30 seconds, can get into a group before someone who has been waiting for like 30min and not being a moron about it.
Imperial Sniper - The Swiftsure

Fall_Star's Avatar


Fall_Star
12.26.2011 , 03:39 AM | #4
It also encourages good behaviour because without a LFG system, you will be accountable for your reputation with your peers. Meaning, if you ninja and need, you'll grow notorious for that **** and be left forever alone eventually.

darkov's Avatar


darkov
12.26.2011 , 04:12 AM | #5
I don't think a dungeon finder is the solution but they need to have some better LFG tools. I would like something a lot more obvious and varied.

Ideally, the LFG tag should come with a set of filters, that when you set yourself as LFG you can then highlight any of the quests you have in your log that you are LFG for, rather than just write a comment (though that option should remain).

Then those looking for people to join their group should be able to search the LFG list server-wide (not just by planet) and sort it according to the quests people have selected. This would making finding people for specific heroics and flashpoints a lot of easier when they are spread out.

We should also have a role option, when you set LFG it should allow you to pick one of the three roles and show this as well, which again would make finding each other a lot easier.

A system like this would be a vast improvement over the current one and maintain the social element of actually having to talk to people to form a group. People would also contain to spam the chat channels on the Republic Fleet, so it wouldn't hurt that "social" element either.

But it needs to be obvious, like a HUGE button next your character portrait on the main UI. Otherwise no one will use it.

Neverknowenuff's Avatar


Neverknowenuff
12.26.2011 , 04:30 AM | #6
OK my idea for a looking for group system come from not enjoy the WoW system and wanting to keep group's on the same Server. The LFG should work abit like a lobby system without being in a lobby. You put your self up on a list, This should be done with tick box's. SO for e.g. I'l would Be showed as Smuggler lvl 10, DPS, Black Talon. If i dont want to make a group then I can sit there.

Then you have a option where somone can make a group (make a game if were going back to the lobby system) That person can search through all players that have listed them selfs for groups and filter accordling. Then place everyone they picked into a lobby then once everyone it happy they click a button and bang its a group. Then you all meet up doing your question and get a high five at the end.

This would need to be its own button on the UI otherwise no one uses it lol. I think in games like league of legends or world of tanks the custom game finder systems works so well that I dont see a reason why the princables wouldnt work in a MMOLFG.

Instant locking people into a group I believe wouldnt work due to player might not want to play with x person and locks and blocks should be allowed. E.g. you can block a player from inviting you because he ninja'ed your amazing helm for his comp lol.

On a personal note I havnt had any issues finding groups I dont spam chat or in a guild. I message people asking them if they would be intrested in doing X. It works REALLY well. 90% of the time players want to do the content and I can see if there a Jugg or Power tech and ask if they can tank / heal (for healing classes) as I myself play DPS. But I dont know if players know they can talk to each other and not spam chat.

Riavan's Avatar


Riavan
12.26.2011 , 04:46 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Neverknowenuff View Post
OK my idea for a looking for group system come from not enjoy the WoW system and wanting to keep group's on the same Server. The LFG should work abit like a lobby system without being in a lobby. You put your self up on a list, This should be done with tick box's. SO for e.g. I'l would Be showed as Smuggler lvl 10, DPS, Black Talon. If i dont want to make a group then I can sit there.

Then you have a option where somone can make a group (make a game if were going back to the lobby system) That person can search through all players that have listed them selfs for groups and filter accordling. Then place everyone they picked into a lobby then once everyone it happy they click a button and bang its a group. Then you all meet up doing your question and get a high five at the end.

This would need to be its own button on the UI otherwise no one uses it lol. I think in games like league of legends or world of tanks the custom game finder systems works so well that I dont see a reason why the princables wouldnt work in a MMOLFG.

Instant locking people into a group I believe wouldnt work due to player might not want to play with x person and locks and blocks should be allowed. E.g. you can block a player from inviting you because he ninja'ed your amazing helm for his comp lol.

On a personal note I havnt had any issues finding groups I dont spam chat or in a guild. I message people asking them if they would be intrested in doing X. It works REALLY well. 90% of the time players want to do the content and I can see if there a Jugg or Power tech and ask if they can tank / heal (for healing classes) as I myself play DPS. But I dont know if players know they can talk to each other and not spam chat.

So pretty much what guild wars has? It still has chat spamming though, problem is all the instances share the same chat channel to spam in TOR. I agree, if there was a more prominent UI button to stick the LFG logo on, it would be a good idea.

I still think a system like the original, non-cross-server bg queing in wow would be better and still retain the community feel, a que system, but one that requires people to go to a certain area to que. We used to have great fun fighting/dueling and talking outside the BG enterance ques in arathi/barrens/hillsbrad, then they moved server que enterances to orgrimmer, there was still a big community vibe, but all that was totally destroyed with cross server bgs, that let you que from anywhere in the world.
Imperial Sniper - The Swiftsure

AzKnc's Avatar


AzKnc
12.26.2011 , 06:28 AM | #8
100% agreed, haven't managed to run a single heroic (or normal for that matter) if i don't count those made with a full guild group, which is plain wrong. Sure, we farm hcs with our own group, but if any of us (or even 2-3 just missing 1) want to get things going with randoms it's a nightmare.

Everyone should be able to do any fp at any time of the day/night imo. Having content/entertainment denied just cause the server is dead at weird hours or there doesn't happen to be people caring about what you want to farm is just terrible.

Here's a couple examples why the current stone age system is bad:

1)Just a couple days ago some random asked me if i wanted to do dir7 normal, so mind you, not even an hc or anything difficult, i said ok as i was just clearing corellia for the sake of it since the day i made 50 i had barely started that planet. Well, he/we couldn't find people no matter what, for 1,2,3 hours he kept searching, he even started asking for just 45+ people.

2)During a hc with randoms at some point a guy decided he couldn't be arsed to finish it and left, couldn't find a replacement for over an hour so we just gave up. BUT HEY at least we can blacklist that random who left, amirite? .. sigh. We would have rather have had someone insta joining via queue when the ***** left.

3)I'd like to make more examples on why this is terrible but truth is that aside from those 2 runs i couldn't even manage to get anything going (or joining).

Furthermore, the fleet system is nice and roleplayish but, seriously, when you've run instances 10+ times, all the loadings, taxis, recalls, elevators, whatever, get really ANNOYING AS HELL. It would be fine if it was a single player, but it isn't, mmos need functionality above everything else, come on. Force people to get the quest or discover entrances the first time maybe, sure, but after that, it shouldn't be required anymore.

tl:dr - wow's dungeon finder tool should be copy pasted into this game cause the current system is terrible in the long run and we aren't in 1999 anymore.
AzK - Jaded - The Red Eclipse
We're not in the 90's anymore.
Pro Dungeon tool. Pro Cross server. Pro Dual AC. Pro Dual spec.

Empire_of_Dirt's Avatar


Empire_of_Dirt
12.26.2011 , 06:52 AM | #9
I wouldn't mind a LFG tool, as long as it's NOT cross-server. Cross-server LFG just makes sure everybody ninja loots all the time and it prevents you from friending good groupmates so you can run with them in the future.
This is not the post you're looking for.

casshern's Avatar


casshern
12.26.2011 , 06:53 AM | #10
i dont want a dungeon finder, it is a lazy tool for lazy people go out there and and find a group, this isnt wow, you want wow then go back, we dont want here ruining our game.
Death smiles at us all and all a man can do is smile back
Casshern/tetsuya swg-infinity CE owner