Ideas to balance the overpowerd assassins, and madness sorcerers.

instead of insulting my post, and forming the extremely close minded opinion that i was saying we needed to "balance" around stacked classes. why don't you offer something other then "EH UHM, MADNESS IS FINE, TOTALLY NOT OP"


Now, I have no idea how to play madness. probably have around 3/4 hours played in pvp as a madness sorcerer. i did 1k dps with 2 buttons(on the low end) i also accept the fact that i'm a decent player so ill see higher numbers then the average Joe, but again.... I dont play madness...

One could also argue that this is just a phase. Currently Bioware has been tweaking "DoT" specializations heavily, If you head over to the flash-points/Operations section and pull up 2.9 DPS leader-boards, you'll find that madness hold the #1 and #4 parse, followed by the recently changed pyro and annihilation at #2 and #3. Maybe they will look to change this over time. But i feel as if they have overdone it with madness.

If you are trying to be clever and saying that's this is contradictory it really isn't it's supportive of the whole argument. People are arguing for balance based on multiple acs of the same type I was illustrating it's the same for ranged vs multiple melee.

If you are going to cherry pick different parts of people posts without the proper context in then at you

So you have no idea how to play a class and you think this gives you a basis for how it works and a balanced opinion on the class? And you think being in a warzone with multiple classes on the same ac doesn't skew the balance argument at all?

Ok.

I'm confused as to what you're even trying to prove? that madness is fine? that its not OP? Maybe i need to spell it out for you since you cant read between the lines.

I'm not saying it should be balanced because there is multiple AC's in a single war-zone, its merely one of the examples I am providing. The other example being that i rarely play the class, yet i can push 1k dps with 2 buttons.. 2 buttons... We'll continue to ignore that though. Instead we can address why its so FoTM (flavor of the month) were spelling things out for you, remember?

The spec is over-powered in PvP.. It was powerful before the buff to Creeping terror, and 25% damage increase to force lightening. But not so powerful that anyone could jump on and do 1k+ DPS, while kiting melee around the map. It had a skill gap, but now the skill gap is gone.
now the damage pushing out from madness has gotten out of hand. paired with the utility that its had, along with what its about to receive in 2.10 (UP off the GcD and 20% armor) it will just continue to rise in popularity.

I'll say it one more time though.. The damage alone is not over powered, the utility alone is not overpowered. But combining both the utility and damage of a madness sorcerer has pushed the class to the FoTM and OP stage.

Something that would help would be to add some complexity to the rotation. currently its just dots > death-field > lightening or dots > death-field > thrash

Sentinel are free kills and everyone knows it. Stun lock them and they are dead. Defense cool downs are too long compared to other ACs with similar abilities. There are 4 viable specs to a Sentinel: hybrid Watchman/Combat, Watchman, Combat and Focus.

The best way to understand any AC is to play against them, and then ask for my AC to be buffed to counter or have those ACs nerfed. Players will choose to have the ACs nerfed and for devs it's the easiest path to take.

See. Just no, this is what bad players do they cry for nerfs because they don't understand how to play an ac or how other classes work. The fact you think a sent is a free kill tells me all I need to know.

The point is not anyone can play a sorc well, you people are so fixated on these end game numbers. Damage application is easy, movement, positioning and awareness is what makes a good sorcerer. Not pushing a few buttons and going omg I can get big numbers (big deal, news flash - free casting classes do big numbers if they are allowed to free cast). There spelt that out for you, since you seem to be ignoring the significance of multiple classes if the same acs in your example.

Anyone can fluff damage and get a maximum hit of 2k. Good luck killing anyone with a clue doing that though. You are dotting people once and pumping people full of damage from lightning and not killing anything on your own and if they are dropping like flies it's because you are running with multiple acs of the same class.. Do you not see how this is relevant at all? That the amount of acs in the warzone and the type of acs is relevant to your example? Otherwise why did you post that screenshot?

You were basing your argument on your example so I'm not trying to prove anything just point out the flaws in your example and your conclusion. I know what sorc is capable of and I know most can't play it well.

We will have to agree to disagree, it's utility, damage and defences are directly related to it's force resources. Which are not plentiful especially if you pick up egress. That's a major weakness that can be exploited by people who know how to counter them.

You have had 3 hours on the class and you think this gives you an informed opinion on the skill it takes to play one. If the other team let's you free cast and your playing against baddie sorc you act surprised you can put out 1k dps? Play people with a clue and get back to me.

oh i see, so you're just playing devils advocate and counter arguing any argument. i was beginning to think you actually thought sorcerers were balanced and not FoTM at all.

1.) yes any class free casting can put up numbers, but not as much as madness - the PRIMARY reason i put out multiple AC's is to confirm that it is FoTM, nothing more nothing less..

2.) 2k dps is not "fluff" - im beginning to think you're a complete moron for thinking madness if "fluff" damage. 1k dps can be achieved by 2 buttons(as per my experiment) and we'll meet in the middle at 1300-1500 for decent sorcs.
The other day after this voidstar ended, this operative did 1.1 million healing, it was 1198 HPS. he was SUPER proud of his first 1 mill healing game...(let me know if you get what im hinting at here)

3.) Most "bad" sorcerers pick up Egress, I don't because i know it gimps force management. while they may gut their force management in the long fight, they'll kite melee for days.

4.) I play with people that have a clue all the time.. i picked up how to play from some of the better madness players in the game. all of which also find the class to be over powered. I can still hear some of those players laughing when they received a damage buff to force lightening and creeping terror. I also believe that i can form an opinion while playing so little of madness is because im above average at the game, and can see when a class is performing outside of its parameters. I've been saying since the patch that BW over-buffed madness, but the buffs came from PvE wanting to be more relevant, it just so happened that the buff it provided to PvP were too much.

im not in here going "LOL MARAUDERS FREE KILL CUZ SORC OP" or "LOL BRO SORCS ARENT OP I KILL THEM ALL THE TIME" im not that ignorant. I am however intelligent enough to notice when a class is over-performing in the hands of both average and above average players. top sorcerers will even tell you this.

Also, The fact that you think this class is perfectly balanced and should be left as is makes me wonder if you actually have a clue.

PS : i did 1k dps with creeping terror and force lightening.. 2 buttons, you keep over-looking that information

I guess than all the calls to nerf every AC is made by bad players.

If your going to target a Sentinel/Marauder or a Guardian/Juggernaut which one would you choose?

^ this. If it takes 2 buttons to put out a lot of range damage than something is wrong with any AC.

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