Ideas to balance the overpowerd assassins, and madness sorcerers.

Pyro should always have as many dots ticking as possible, otherwise its a massive damage loss.


You're not counting what enure does to the medpack tho, since medpack should always be used after enure due to the fact enure increases max hp, and thus increase the medpack's heal.

Saber reflect, its duration is a non factor. Saber Reflect is what prompts my earilier comment about not being able to use thermal det on a juggernaut since the juggernaut would have to be braindead to not reflect the detonator back into the pyro's face. Or it can be used to eat a railshot.

Saber Ward is also a amazing cooldown. 25% force/tech damage reduction, 100% defense for the first two seconds and 50% defense for the remainder. Saber Ward of all the damage reduction cooldowns, is the single most effective one.
The 2 seconds of 100% defense is particularly key since a properly timed saber ward will guarantee wasting one of the pyro's railshots. Or if you don't feel like doing that you can use saber ward to completely negate the pyro's explosive fuel window since saber ward's duration is the same as explosive fuel's.

Pyro PT vs Veng jug is still pretty even in terms of survivability to damage ratio. In a 1v1 it would boil down to how well the pyro can deadzone the jug. Jug needs to be within 4m constantly to build rage. That's a really big drawback. If the pyro respecs and drops their top tier talent for oilslick - pyro will win hands down.

may i bring to you the carnage marauder. the single most burst heavy spec in game. capable of bursting someone down as fast as a sorc can get off 1 1/2 force lightnings. why is no one QQ'ing about them? because they are easy to stop. when people have to use a 1/64 of their brain to stop a class they will start to cry op and "NERF NAO!" if only people knew how easy it was to shut down these classes...

still a firm believer in people are getting hit by at least 2 madness spec inquisitors and mistaking it as 1. as i stated before, i rarely play my sorc and i only play deception on my sin so i am not trying to protect my spec. honestly its all a L2P issue. these two classes are so easy to counter but people go at them with only one mindset when they need to take sorcs/sins in a different way.

any good player can shut these classes down, and from my limited experience as a madness sorc and my tons of experience playing against them i can tell you right now it is insanely easy to shut them down and kill them... please tell me its not a l2p issue.

There I fixed it for you. Keep in mind it was "you" who thought that both madness specs are just fluff damage. That impliess that the vast multitude, if not all players you are coming across are indeed bads.

no where did i say they were strictly fluff, let me clarify it for you, since you were smart enough to read it right. what i mean was lot of players that are topping the damage board on these classes are fluffing their damage, but i see you only read what you wanted to read. i can tell you first hand that if you focus on one person and stick to them the can be nuked easily by both madness specs. again, this class is easy to shut down you just cant go at it like you would a merc.

i feel sorry for you because on my sin i have yet to encounter a sorc that can consistently beat me (yes the good ones get me a lot but there is things that i knew i could have done better). you must not have a very good winning streak against them

Oh I suck because I'm stating the obvious. Rotfl. You don't play either of the specs which means you literally have no idea what they are capable of. When was the last time you had a good long look at their ability damage break down? Don't answer that, it's obvious. The fact that you think they are easily shutdown is a fairly good indicator that the skill level on your server is pretty poor. Bads who stand their face tanking are easy kills. Inexperienced players who don't know the first thing about kiting or class ability countering are easy kills. There's enough videos about these forums posted "BEFORE" the recent buffs which should give you a pretty *********** good idea of how they are meant to be played. The first thing you'll notice is that these players are ****** face. They are not tab dotting and they are not being "easily" shut down.

no. they hit very hard just one at a time. but only those who actually know how to play them. on my assault mando, I'll solo upwards of 80% of the sins I come across (most are now running madness). but it's very clear when I've run into one who knows what he's doing. they can have me in serious trouble before the 2nd stun hits and I can break. ranging them is fairly useless since they have you dotted w/o a cleanse. but in reality, they're always hitting you while you're dotted. iunno. it's very clear when you're fighting a good madness sin. they're brutally effective. 50-60% of them, though...meh. don't know what they're doing I guess.

not crying nerf here. just...let's be honest, they can hit really really hard. don't doubt that.

You mean Advanced Prototype for middle tree PTs?

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He's an idiot for even suggesting AP against a dot spec. It gets eaten alive.