Ideas to balance the overpowerd assassins, and madness sorcerers.

OP Madness Sorcerers? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAA.... *breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA

OMG. Overpowered? The fragile class that dies from a Mara's or Sent's stern glance? The class that PvP Juggs like to toss back and forth like a basketball before crushing them? The class that Operatives and Scoundrels sneer at and continue living no matter how many DoTs you put on them?

Ease off on the mind-altering substances!

I kind of agree.

I also though they were OP until I started playing one.

I'm levelling one currently and I came to think that their damage is completely appropriate given their squishiness. The class is very fun as it forces you to position yourself well and kite to save your life. However, if their damage was nerfed there would be absolutely no reason to play them and it would kill the spec.

Madness sorcs are not OP. Here is an idea...pester them and see how OP they are. Let any ranged dps free cast and you gonna pay...

L2p.

I don't know if I should believe someone called the antichrist :P


(it is a language thing people!)

Umm. I would not consider them Op but they can deal with any of those classes in a 1 v 1 and they most certainly can kill op healers, if you can't you are doing it wrong.

They are in a good place right now. Let's not pretend they are ****, because frankly that is not even remotely true if you know how to play it, and tbh a lot of people just don't understand how to play it right who complain they are weak. Not now, you cannot say madness is weak now. It has counters, just like any class.

Good sorc are formidable, but yes they fold under focus fire from multiple melee just as a single melee can feel useless against multiple sorc or ranged. This is the point that most of the qq threads seem to fail to address. Most of the qq seems to stem from matchmaking issues imo (so many range must mean they are op etc, which is not a reason to nerf it at all).

These players would need to tell me how good a sorc is when he is trained by multiple melee classes? All the kiting in the world won't save you. If we are going to use how many of x class there is trained on other classes as some kind of measure of balance then you need to apply it to other classes too.

Madness sorc weakness are their force resources, everything is tied to it, offensively and defensively. Sorc can be negated very simply by focus fire since they rely on movement for their main defenses. So focus them out, there are only so many that are any good anyway. Most struggle to kite and position themselves well let alone understand how the class is supposed to work.

Madness sorc is arguably the strongest stand-alone ranged dps. But they are not OP by any means. They are were they should be. I disagree with the snare on spammable lightning but meh

I gotta agree, I have a lvl 50 vanguard and I run assault specialist. At the moment i'm putting out 500-600k dps per match, plus im quite hard to kill and i rarely ever lose a 1v1 fight.

no. a good madness sin will drop me faster than a good pyro. a mediocre madness will die to me. a mediocre pyro can kill me occasionally. translation: pyro's easier to play, but played well, madness is more of a threat. (the fact that they get to open on you w/o knowing when or where is no small part of that).

Come to endgame where you actually have competent opponents before you start passing judgment.


In competative environments, powertech is outclassed by both the madness AC, and is completely outmatched in 1v1 fights by assassins and juggernauts.

Pyro really isn't. The damage output to survivability is the best in the game.