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Empire or Republic. And why?

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Empire or Republic. And why?

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DomiSotto
08.19.2014 , 07:23 PM | #61
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Have you actually played through an entire imperial character before quitting? I consider my imperial characters as light side reformers rather than the traditional dark siders content with the status quo of their society.
Uhm, this thread will probably get buried under all the GSH threads, but since I can never stir away from the direct questions, I wanted to correct that I did not quit any single class, as I want to see all 8 class stories, I just deleted a second IA alt that was a male duplicate. I did finish 2 Pub stories so far, and my highest Imp character is L44 now (a SW). I play 8 characters in perma-pairs (4 of each class) with my husband, and 4 - solos.

But, I find playing the Imperial classes unpleasant. I don't see how the game will accommodate an LS 'reformer' well, as even the LS character does despicable things for the Empire. Besides, I don't want the Empire to be reformed. I want it to collapse.

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ThirdDementor
08.21.2014 , 03:12 AM | #62
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But, I find playing the Imperial classes unpleasant. I don't see how the game will accommodate an LS 'reformer' well, as even the LS character does despicable things for the Empire.
Without going into spoilers, Sith Warrior is indeed pretty awkward as lightside. The Inquisitor, however, has both a backstory and a, err, story-story that accomodates lightside nicely and in a way that makes a lot of sense. Not to say they don't fit darkside, but going lightside Inquisitor is legit and rewarding.
"... But no Jedi ever made the choice you did. To sever ties so completely, so utterly, that it leaves a wound in the Force. It was a mistake to try to make you feel it again, I see that now. There is no truth in the Force. But there is truth in you, Exile. And that is why I chose you."

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Vodamin
08.21.2014 , 03:29 AM | #63
Republic.

Empire is just too depressing. I like their advance clsses, the animations, posture, everything is so awesome.
But the atmosphere is just awful.

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DomiSotto
08.21.2014 , 03:35 AM | #64
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Without going into spoilers, Sith Warrior is indeed pretty awkward as lightside. The Inquisitor, however, has both a backstory and a, err, story-story that accomodates lightside nicely and in a way that makes a lot of sense. Not to say they don't fit darkside, but going lightside Inquisitor is legit and rewarding.
I play LS and DS versions of both.

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Khaleijo
08.21.2014 , 05:28 AM | #65
I prefer the Empire, first of all the stories, then of course the design of clothes, ships , architecture and stuff, i just like it better.
The only story i like on the Republic side is the knight, but not because of the final ending, which is kind of to be expected from the beginning, but the really great and atmospheric twist before that.

With the other classes and the quests on the planets themselves i had the feeling the the republic is only about corruption, schemes, and struggle for power influence or wealth. No serving the people but serving myself. All that while telling everyone its for the greater good. There may be less open killings to achieve positions compared to the imp side, but as for example the BH story tells, the republic doesn't refrain from dirty actions to achieve their goals either, false accusations included. It's just not such a strong element of the player story, but crushing opponents is happening in the republic too, it is just not as open or as lethal as in the Empire.

The whole Planet Belsavis is not really a prime example of the republics ideals, its something you would expect from the bad evil empire, but its build and conducted by the Republic, with all its experiments and punishing children for deeds their parents did when they weren't even born. The trooper/counsellor story is also a lot about powerplays between republic institutions and what the senate doesn't know won't bother him, we have rights but to achieve our goals we can just ignore them, leading to "the end justifying the means" which is not really a big difference to the imperial credo. Manipulating election campaigns by forwarding delicate or even false informations about a candidate is also not unusual.

The Empire as a whole is not a place for fairness either, but it is more open with its goals and upfront with its measures to reach them. Not telling this is the ideal we follow and doing in fact the opposite of it. And i just pfrefer that to the in my opinion hypocritical Republic.
Not even mentioning all these mass murder "kill x opponents, than y and yet another bunch" quests, i felt were a lot more common on republic toons than at the imp side. Which are rendering the ideal "we are peaceful and the light side" a bit absurd while comitting massacre after massacre. Or is this justified because it is "the enemy" ?
One reason i don't like starting a new pub toon are these many many killing quests on Coruscant. You have them at the imp side too, but there the second and third stage are much more often "use crates, nodes computers or stuff" instead of killing another dozen guys.

The reactions towards a dark aligned jedi during the class quests are also a bit weird... as if i could be the purest evil but as long as i safe the Republic and/or Jedi order, it doesn't really matter, i'm even decorated for my actions.
I just had to laugh discussing the evilness of the opponents while sitting there with dark V corruption and getting almost no warning about changing my path to the light.

At the empire a light side sith is unusal and gets comments about that too, but as long as i achieve my goal, i showed my superiority and that's it, how i did it doesn't really matter as the measuring is "who is stronger" and i proved my strengh by defeating the opponent and as such followed the imperial credo. So a more or less light aligned sith feels much more convincing for me.

Of course i wouldn't support the empire in a real world scenario, but i wouldn't do that with the rebublic either as both are rotten, just in different ways.
In the end for the game scenario both have light and dark or are just grey, it comes to personal peference with design, story or where your friends play.

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LilyJedi
08.21.2014 , 06:17 AM | #66
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The whole Planet Belsavis is not really a prime example of the republics ideals, its something you would expect from the bad evil empire, but its build and conducted by the Republic, with all its experiments and punishing children for deeds their parents did when they weren't even born. The trooper/counsellor story is also a lot about powerplays between republic institutions and what the senate doesn't know won't bother him, we have rights but to achieve our goals we can just ignore them, leading to "the end justifying the means" which is not really a big difference to the imperial credo.
Key difference -- the Republic has laws against such behaviour, and the perpetrators can be brought to justice. In the Empire, it's just policy, and you can't do anything about it.

On the Imperial side, most of the time, a light-side choice can, at best, save a handful of people. (The only possible exception comes in the IA story as to what is done with the Black Codex -- but that too has a cost).

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DomiSotto
08.21.2014 , 04:34 PM | #67
I agree with Lily-Jedi. Every time I encounter corruption and rot on the Republic side I get a practical option to change things for the better. Senators resign or get punished from Coruscant to Corellia, and all that.

On the Imperial side, I actually get penalized for doing the right thing. Like when I swapped the explosives not to kill the civilians on Balmorra, the man who suggested the swap got severely punished, and all I could do was to stand by idly. Which is a good piece of writing on Bio side, surprising RL, but depressing.

Empire seem to work the best with a DS character who has no moral scruples, and only cares for his or her own elevation, at least from what I have seen so far.