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SW:TOR will experience the first ever overnight ecomonic crash of an MMO.

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SW:TOR will experience the first ever overnight ecomonic crash of an MMO.

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tdmaha
08.11.2014 , 01:21 PM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post



@ tdmaha...

I am a SWG vet, but I'm not at all bitter about it closing, in fact, it's probably the smartest thing Smed ever did. He is now the golden boy of Star Wars MMOs, not the cancer he once was...rose colored glasses and all. The game needed to go...it was time for it to be buried.

I enjoy this game tdmaha, and I want more players to play/return. I think locking away guild content behind a 50 million credit barrier will deter players from experiencing the content...I don't see ANYTHING positive for the game by locking it away...do you?

What GOOD does it bring to the game to prevent smaller guilds and casual players from experiencing this content? When I do a WZ, it's not uncommon to see 7 different guilds represented. When I join a PuG, you can see 10+ guilds...the fact is, there are a LOT of smaller guilds in this game...they're by far the majority...this content update doesn't do anything to strengthen them or encourage them to play more...it just adds content many won't be able, or willing, to afford.
Well I wasnt so far off as others said then was I? Not "following" you for 3 years I knew you were a SWG vet, but as you say you are not bitter or angry but how think smed is a golden boy of anything is a mystery. But as all of your "followers" pointed out you are wrong in your assessment of guild ships.

See your missing the point here...in no way shape or form are small guilds prevented from anything. They have the same ability and opportunity as any other guild to experience the content. You have a large guild with 100 players chances are only 1/4 of them know each other, play together on a regular bases and will be contributing a significant amount to the guild ship. In a small guild of lets say 20, the chances are most of them play together on a regular bases, most of them know each other a lot more then those in a 100 person guild, so this smaller guild we get a better turn out when it comes to contributing to the guild ship. This small guild will also see it as a challenge to gather the 50 million credits before the release.

So it will definitely strength the smaller guilds it will definitely give them a reason to play, it will definitely bring those in a small guild closer. And in no way will it discourage them to play more, in no way will they not have the same opportunity to experience the exact same content, this content does just as much for the small guilds as the large one. Sorry again you have blinders on to think all these small guilds are just going to quit the game because you think its going to be to hard on them...

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abercromb
08.11.2014 , 01:26 PM | #112
Had a good read of the OP epic 1st post and after careful thought I can only conclude he (or she is wrong).

There will not be an instant economic crash or a series of earth shaking economic crashes. I would agree if all of the housing and flagships could be obtained in one day. But these are long term individual and guild projects that require more than just credits. Things will of course change around a bit but I have no doubt that those million credit cool speeders will still be a million credits plus after this new content. I am also pretty certain that those mega rich players will still be mega rich after the update.

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Khevar
08.11.2014 , 01:31 PM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by tdmaha View Post
But as all of your "followers" pointed out you are wrong in your assessment of guild ships.
See, now you're just being a jerk. "Followers" indeed.

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TUXs
08.11.2014 , 01:32 PM | #114
Quote: Originally Posted by tdmaha View Post
Well I wasnt so far off as others said then was I? Not "following" you for 3 years I knew you were a SWG vet, but as you say you are not bitter or angry but how think smed is a golden boy of anything is a mystery. But as all of your "followers" pointed out you are wrong in your assessment of guild ships.

See your missing the point here...in no way shape or form are small guilds prevented from anything. They have the same ability and opportunity as any other guild to experience the content. You have a large guild with 100 players chances are only 1/4 of them know each other, play together on a regular bases and will be contributing a significant amount to the guild ship. In a small guild of lets say 20, the chances are most of them play together on a regular bases, most of them know each other a lot more then those in a 100 person guild, so this smaller guild we get a better turn out when it comes to contributing to the guild ship. This small guild will also see it as a challenge to gather the 50 million credits before the release.

So it will definitely strength the smaller guilds it will definitely give them a reason to play, it will definitely bring those in a small guild closer. And in no way will it discourage them to play more, in no way will they not have the same opportunity to experience the exact same content, this content does just as much for the small guilds as the large one. Sorry again you have blinders on to think all these small guilds are just going to quit the game because you think its going to be to hard on them...
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discbox
08.11.2014 , 01:32 PM | #115
Sounds like the economics in SWTOR was balanced in any way. But it is broken allready.

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Daekarus
08.11.2014 , 01:38 PM | #116
Deflation is a good thing. All this will result in is increased buying power per credit... and since all incomes are static (dailies still drop the same amount) the only people this will really affect are GTN junkies. Inflation has gotten a bit out of hand on the GTN, I think this will be a normalizing force.

Also, much of the Guild Ship wealth has already left the economy and is sitting in Guild Banks. I don't think we're looking at a crash the way the OP is envisioning it.... and even if we were.... who cares?

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Comradebot
08.11.2014 , 01:57 PM | #117
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
And what does that matter? Why do you care if there are poor players enjoying themselves? Are they of lesser value because they simply play to enjoy themselves? Isn't that the entire goal of a game, enjoyment? People make money being credit farmers...I don't want to be one just to enjoy new content. I hope they lower the entry point.
Because if we don't introduce major credit sinks into the game inflation will make actually do what you fear and start making it inaccessible to new players (and even people returning after a lengthy hiatus)?

Nothing stopping your or anyone else from joining a guild that can afford a guild ship or accepting the fact that you can just be a wee bit more frugal, save up whatever cash you do earn, and together affording it. Or hey, maybe your guild has people in it who are actually selfless, understand that the guild ship credit sink is a necessity to keep SWTOR healthy in the long term, and volunteer to pull other's weight as well in regards to getting that guild ship. Honestly, I don't think you seem to grasp that concept. Your entire stance on this is "I think 50 million is too much because I think it's too much so it should be less", and I personally don't feel that holds much water. New player? Join a guild that can afford one already. Casual player in a casual friend guild? Accept that maybe you won't see every single piece of content. You might as well argue that when a player first logs in for the very first time they can, immediately, run a Nightmare Op, have every enemy die and drop a bunch of awesome gear they want, and in the process get Legend rank with all Reputations. It's literally no different beyond you're building up credits instead of rep or xp.


In summary, you would sacrifice the long term health of the game because you arbitrarily feel that this content should be immediately accessible even though there's already plenty of content in this game that requires times and effort in order to access. You speak as a voice for "new players", which you're not and, again, will almost universally be unaffected, and for "casuals", who also by the very definition are unlikely to see some content (top level Ops, being the top of the Ranked PvP ladder, ect).


Again, I can earn over ten million a week without going crazy on playing time (full time job and full time relationship). Only some of that is farming, the rest is dailies and just from general playing.
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ivanhedgehog
08.11.2014 , 02:02 PM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by BuriDogshin View Post
Nope, a crash won't happen.

If needed, SWTOR will just do what EVE does, and what central banks in the real world do: dump money into the economy. For example, they could double credit rewards for all missions, as they did for PvP missions a little while ago. Or introduce new one-time-only missions to "celebrate" the launch of GSH and GFS, that have nice credit rewards and may just be bonuses tied to existing content (kind of like the Classic Ops weekly).

But even that is unlikely because, unlike in RL, there is no debt in SWTOR. No leveraged investments, no long or short positions: nothing that requires players to spend credits they might not have, nothing to create panic selling of assets.
I dont see the devs responding to any problem, they just dont care. I also dont see a mega crash happening, too many people have seen how much money can be made through incessant grinding. they will continue to grind, making the problem greater before quitting the game in boredom and disgust. unfortunately for the devs, dailies do not substitute as useful content.

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ivanhedgehog
08.11.2014 , 02:10 PM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Nah...I think it'll make players feel less attached to this game.
and that is the big loss here. people feeling less likely to log in for days at a time, eventually just not logging in at all when they realize there really isnt anything to do that is less than 9 months old. people that dont want to be owpvp bait and the garbage associated with it.

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ivanhedgehog
08.11.2014 , 02:12 PM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by tdmaha View Post
Good thing most don't share your entitlement mentality.
you dont understand "entitlement". try again