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I think sometimes Raiders need to be reminded a Flashpoint isn't an OP

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I think sometimes Raiders need to be reminded a Flashpoint isn't an OP

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demotivator
08.11.2014 , 11:02 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
actualy, primary experience for KDY, especially during double xp comes from the last turn in quest, so yes, its actualy slower to kill all the mobs, than to kill just enough to complete bonus quest and skip the rest.

I don't know about you all, but I don't level by grinding mobs (...)
It is not only about grinding mobs, bonus completion also earns you a nice amount of XP. So if your goal is getting XP skipping mobs/bonus makes no sense at all.

This is also true with the various flashpoints leading to a bonus boss. Take The False Emperor for instance, in order to get to the Sith Entity you need to complete a 3 stage bonus, each stage giving XP. At lvl 50 a full run of False Emperor can almost make you level up if you combine all the bonus we can get these days (rested XP, FP Legacy perks, CM boosts, double XP weekend, etc.)
Randomizing your forums.

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ZionHalcyon
08.11.2014 , 12:43 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
actualy, primary experience for KDY, especially during double xp comes from the last turn in quest, so yes, its actualy slower to kill all the mobs, than to kill just enough to complete bonus quest and skip the rest.

I don't know about you all, but I don't level by grinding mobs, as if I were in that southpark cartoon, grinding boars. quest xp tends to not only better, but often times more fun. yes, you might still be killing the same mobs, but at least you are killing them with a purpose and you only need to kill specific amount.

and no I'm not one of the people who skips everything including bosses. I even like to complete bonus quests. I just don't think going out of our way to kill those extra mobs in a corner we didn't need to pull at ALL is pointless and boring
This is where you really fail at understanding xp gain. Yes, you get the bulk of your xp for the turn in. But the group that takes the extra 10 to 15 minutes to knock out the mobs you pass up not only gets your turn in as well, but an additional (roughly) 10-20 k xp to boot. Over several runs, they will eclipse your xp per minute ratio.

The only time a spped run makes sense is to get in under the gun as double xp winds down, or sheer personal preference, which is fine, but just be honest about that, rather than propagating the falsehood that a speed run gets you more xp over the long haul.

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DarthMurdek
08.11.2014 , 01:05 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Icestar View Post
It is all about having fun.

Sometimes players forget that we are all here to have fun, it is the main and only purpose of a game
As a carnage marauder i have considerably less fun when my teammates don't let me build fury stacks before a big fight. Killing that big scary gold mob in a tactical with 2 abilities is just so satisfying.
Sounds like a good opportunity for violence.

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ZionHalcyon
08.11.2014 , 01:08 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMurdek View Post
As a carnage marauder i have considerably less fun when my teammates don't let me build fury stacks before a big fight. Killing that big scary gold mob in a tactical with 2 abilities is just so satisfying.
When I play my carnage marauder in a non HM FP, I don't micromanage my abilities and end up having a ton of fun.

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DarthMurdek
08.11.2014 , 01:10 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
When I play my carnage marauder in a non HM FP, I don't micromanage my abilities and end up having a ton of fun.
cool story bro you should get it published. its almost like people can have fun in different ways.

Don't see why you get to be the fun police
Sounds like a good opportunity for violence.

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Quraswren
08.11.2014 , 01:15 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Lol there is a third option... Smartphone autocorrect got the best of me.
Ahh yes. At times I forget about that one.

Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
SNIP...
Either way, communication is needed but here's the rub. If even one said they would rather not pull the whole room because it has wiped them them on multiple times, would you still do it? Or does their opinion not matter simply because you want to do it in a hurry?

It's got to work both ways or else thats when the drama starts and FP's really don't need that.

I know it can be done, I've done it but it's not feasible in most pugs.
However, you still didn't answer my question from above. ^

If you had even one person that didn't want to pull the whole room due to multiple bad experiences with that very same pull and would rather pull in what I would call a "normal fashion", Would you then complain?

The reason I ask is because you do not normally pull rooms and packs that way as you get into harder FP's or OPS, so it's not something I would teach anyone as a common practice.

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ZionHalcyon
08.11.2014 , 01:16 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMurdek View Post
cool story bro you should get it published. its almost like people can have fun in different ways.

Don't see why you get to be the fun police
Physician, heal thyself.

The point you just made was precisely my point, which went over your head. Funny that.

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DarthMurdek
08.11.2014 , 01:18 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Physician, heal thyself.

The point you just made was precisely my point, which went over your head. Funny that.
If you are saying you implied with your reply to my reply that you understood there are different ways to have fun then why did u not see that was what i was implying with my first post?
Sounds like a good opportunity for violence.

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Oneirophrenia
08.11.2014 , 01:19 PM | #49
I can't say I've seen a lot of the "op mentality" while running regular FPs, whether it is pre-made or groupfinders. With that said, if a squishy decides to charge in before everyone else, ends up getting killed and actually has the ball to whine about it afterwards, that's when I'll slap them around a bit. I suppose you could call that op menality but I prefer to think of it as common sense. Don't do it if you can't handle it. Frankly, the pace of content clearing is wholly dependent on being able to judget your group's capability accurately.

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ZionHalcyon
08.11.2014 , 01:20 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
Ahh yes. At times I forget about that one.



However, you still didn't answer my question from above. ^

If you had even one person that didn't want to pull the whole room due to multiple bad experiences with that very same pull and would rather pull in what I would call a "normal fashion", Would you then complain?

The reason I ask is because you do not normally pull rooms and packs that way as you get into harder FP's or OPS, so it's not something I would teach anyone as a common practice.
I think something I'm learning is that trying to be a teacher rather than just playing the game kills enjoyment of it if overdone, which those who fashion themselves as teachers tend to lean towards. We worry about people knowing what to do when they move on to harder content, without ever really questioning if that will ever be their interest down the line, and if so, then they will figure it out then, and the teachers don't have to worry about teaching as much until that point.