50 Mil for Guild Flagship is Rubbish

lol... I'M supposed to be the one making rude assumptions?

Look, I've stated many times on these forums that BW went about this all wrong. It shouldn't even be up for purchase by credits, but it is. And it's TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE for the little guys. That's my opinion. I'm sharing it. And I will continue to share it, because BW needs to know that a significant number of people feel this way.

There are a LOT of tiny little guilds in this game. Some people just like to keep their group small, some have withered over time... whatever the reason, we are people who are dedicated and care about this game and this is something that we'd like to take part in, but BW has hamstrung us from doing the things we ENJOY in this game, just so we can farm stupid credits. It's effen insulting is what it is.

People like me don't mind working for things. I think many things need to be worked for. But put it behind real content. I don't want to be a farmer. I refuse to be a farmer. I have made (for me) significant donations to my guild to this end. But I'm not going to stop playing the content I like (and don't even think about this getting priority over real life) just to get credits. If I could do real work with my guildies to complete missions toward the end of getting a ship, I'd probably do that. It would be fun and would really be a group activity.

BW, you got this wrong. My hope for the future of this game (which many of you know was sky-high until very recently) is taking a nose-dive.

Incorrect. Farming credits is not fun. I'd rather spend my time doing content that I enjoy. Planet conquest stuff might be fun, but it's going to be a while before I find out, because BW did a stupid thing.

Just so you know, I'm positive that many of the players in this game would be thrilled to have something like this. I know I certainly would. I really enjoyed the HK-51 quest line and had high hope that something even more epic would be present for obtaining a Guild Flagship.

Alas, we play the cards we were dealt. Flagships were added by BW as the start of Conquests. And unfortunately, most of Conquests is doing more of the same stuff we've done since launch. Perhaps they'll expand upon it later, perhaps not.

But I believe that any guild that is capable of competing in conquests is also capable of making the money required to get a flagship.

The only players this leaves behind are those that don't want to participate in conquests, but still want the flagship. It would seem that Guild Strongholds would be the answer to those players.

Some guilds may not be competitive, realistically, but could still have fun with the content.

Well, TUXs pointed out the OWPvP aspect of this, which is certainly something new.

But other than that, all of the Conquest activities look an awful lot like DAILIES to me. The PvE activities that are in conquests also reward one with credits. If one is so averse to doing activities that reward credits in this game, I find it hard to understand how these same players would enjoy doing Conquests.

"Farming" credits? Why would you have to do that?

In other words, please tell me which parts of the game that you play and find enjoyable do not reward credits in profitable amounts.

Mr. Owl, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

The world may never know.

And many people may never know if this content is compelling or enjoyable to them.

PvP. I'm not stating that credits aren't made, but certainly not a lot of them.

I'm not going to disagree with you on this specifically, because anything purely subjective is hard to argue.

But have you been on the PTS yet? You can copy multiple toons to add up to 50 million and unlock the flagship and actually try Conquests for yourself. If you haven't done so, please give it a try and tell me how different the PvE side is from personal dailies.

In my personal opinion, having done exactly this, it seems pretty much the same thing. It's dailies with a publicly viewable point score.

In any game I have been in that introduced this type of long term guild project I have come up against players who simply do not want to put in any effort but still want the reward. I remember from my time in Age of Conan when the building of the Guild city, it's walls, buildings and decorations was something that the entire guild did for close to a year. A fully upgraded flagship is that level of commitment. Now I can understand those who want everything to be a bit easier than it looks like it is going to be but sorry in this case your going to have to settle for less.

This content appears to have many levels of options from a small house, to a huge mansion, from guild building to flagship. There appears to be tons of decorations that can be bought, crafted or gained through missions. There really is something for everyone should they wish to work towards it. I don't begrudge those I wish to simply dive in to the game and take part in anything on a casual basis. But I do have issues with those who wave a causal banner as some sort of badge of honour while complaining about having to work towards something over a long time in game.