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So what do we get in return for all the hard work on Guild Ships?

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So what do we get in return for all the hard work on Guild Ships?

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MandFlurry
08.06.2014 , 10:36 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Kunda View Post
You get a Guild Ship! Ta da!
50 Million for the Ship, and 150 more Million to get access to everything else???

If that is so, I would have to ask myself and others. What would YOU Say Is you Biggest Achievement in Life?

What would you guys say to ur Children, Family and Loved ones, along with good friends that can't play MMOs because they work to much to earn a living, and trying to get that great raise in income.

For me I'm glad my Biggest Achievement, doesn't belong to a game.


Guild Ships from what I have heard can be very good, but where do ppl draw the Line.
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Santay
08.06.2014 , 10:39 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
Believe it or not, I agree with you.

There 'has' to be some sort of balancing component to the system or the largest guilds will dominate. And on those servers where those huge guilds don't exist yet, that'll change very shortly.

I've seen this in other games. In things like this, the more people you have, the better your chances. People recruit with that logic and most players understand that in numbers, there is strength. Soon enough, the middle-sized guilds merge into huge guilds and small guilds are left in the dust.

It becomes a game of 'merge or die.' I mean, why would three middling guilds fight it out when they can combine forces, dominate and maintain control over whatever world they set their eyes on? It's not like there's any reason 'not' to merge. There's no advantage to being in a small guild with this system.
/standing ovation
/slow clap

simply awesome, summed it up perfectly.
Now if Bioware will listen and implement a guild recruitment system smaller guild may stand a chance.
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Santay
08.06.2014 , 10:50 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by MandFlurry View Post
50 Million for the Ship, and 150 more Million to get access to everything else???

If that is so, I would have to ask myself and others. What would YOU Say Is you Biggest Achievement in Life?

What would you guys say to ur Children, Family and Loved ones, along with good friends that can't play MMOs because they work to much to earn a living, and trying to get that great raise in income.

For me I'm glad my Biggest Achievement, doesn't belong to a game.


Guild Ships from what I have heard can be very good, but where do ppl draw the Line.
Well that expense ONLY the big guilds can afford.

i have heard all the comebacks from everyone, lets see there was "you have had time to save", or "your guild sux if they cant help you" , or my favorite " if you and your guild had dedication, your guild no matter the size can save 50 million in a matter of weeks".

well we have lives outside of the game and dont live in moms basement. so i can do maybe 1 op per day or maybe 2 FP's, or 2 - 3 dailies before i have to go do things in real life. we can not save 50 million, we got to about 20 million and everyone said enough and lost interest.
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MandFlurry
08.06.2014 , 10:51 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Santay View Post
I beat you, my interest is gone. Smaller guilds just lost. ill save the few credits we were able to pull together and put it towards a guild stronghold.

I am very disappointed, had hoped it would be fair across the board, small guilds wont stand a chance when the super guilds hit. It will be the same 10 guilds in the top ten ALL THE TIME.

Oh and for those who say "gee that is a defeatist attitude", or "your guild sux" etc, just keep it to your self dont need your elitist attitude or you running your mouth, you wanted the price so high that only the "BEST" guilds can compete. well enjoy your ever shrinking small pod.

When will Bioware invest in a guild recruitment system? so smaller guilds can start to grow and not be shut out?

I guess never

Must say Truthfully, that there are too many ppl in Big and Small Guilds within' them that would/don't like ppl in other Guilds. So in this way, also if ppl tried to make too many Super-Guilds, then I could definitely see a lot of ppl in the bigger and smaller guilds leave their Mega-Guilds to only form another Guild with other ppl that did/do not get along with the New members of their Guild.
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DaRoamer
08.06.2014 , 11:01 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
The worst part...you're not alone. You're not even a minority...you're like the majority of guilds.
If the majority of guilds are small to medium then why are people worried? Clearly mega guilds are the minority and there aren't enough of them to take all the slots on every planet every week.

I'm sure Bioware knows how many guilds there are and how much money they have and have structured things accordingly. At the same time you want there to be something for people to work toward so obviously not every guild is going to make one of the top 10s.

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Kantaso
08.06.2014 , 11:14 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Santay View Post
no i think the super, large and medium guilds will shut the small guilds out. you really think a guild of 15-20 , that in reality can field maybe 4-5 players at a time can compete with the guilds that can field hundreds? i want some of what you are smoking if you think that is not going to happen.
What I am saying is just repeating what others have said already today, this system does not work. Only the guilds with 100s of players will reign supreme, people from smaller guilds will never have a chance.
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Rafaman
08.06.2014 , 11:26 AM | #47
I don't get what the fear is here. Look, there is more than one reward for participating in conquests. You don't have to win a conquest or even be in the top ten to be successful.

With every conquest you work on you get closer to acquiring what you need for unlock what you want to unlock. You also can participate in different ways, there are crafting objectives, objectives that include flashpoints, etc. etc. You don't have to complete them all and you don't have to kill the Commander. Your guild can just go at it's own pace and do what interests the guildies.

And last but not least, there are rewards for personal conquests that have nothing to do with the leader board. Which means, if you participate, you move closer toward your goals as a guild even if it is through personal achievements.

So... I ask you, how are small to medium size guilds being frozen out? It doesn't matter if they are not in the top ten. It doesn't matter that they aren't first. Every guild can work at its own pace to achieve their goals.

This isn't a zero sum game. The winner doesn't take all.

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Kantaso
08.06.2014 , 11:27 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Rafaman View Post
I don't get what the fear is here. Look, there is more than one reward for participating in conquests. You don't have to win a conquest or even be in the top ten to be successful.

With every conquest you work on you get closer to acquiring what you need for unlock what you want to unlock. You also can participate in different ways, there are crafting objectives, objectives that include flashpoints, etc. etc. You don't have to complete them all and you don't have to kill the Commander. Your guild can just go at it's own pace and do what interests the guildies.

And last but not least, there are rewards for personal conquests that have nothing to do with the leader board. Which means, if you participate, you move closer toward your goals as a guild even if it is through personal achievements.

So... I ask you, how are small to medium size guilds being frozen out? It doesn't matter if they are not in the top ten. It doesn't matter that they aren't first. Every guild can work at its own pace to achieve their goals.

This isn't a zero sum game. The winner doesn't take all.
Show me the link where those points are expressed that way. If your statement is the truth then we have something to look for but so far I have not seen anything about it.
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Kantaso
08.06.2014 , 11:29 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post
Oh, you poor babies. It hasn't even started and you've already lost.

Better not visit Tatooine; you might get infected.
Better not take on that Elite; you might get killed.
Better not join that Heroic; you might get kicked.
Better not start that toon; you might never get to 55.
Better not try to excel; someone else might beat you.
Better not join a guild; someone else might have a bigger one.
Better not field that team; it'll never make the finals.

In fact, you'd better just quit now. It's obviously not worth it.
If you have nothing positive to ad why dont you keep your mouth closed so flies may not enter inside.
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wagetz
08.06.2014 , 11:40 AM | #50
I am not sure if what I an going to suggest will resolve all the concerns for small guilds but here is one idea for Bioware to think about.

What would be the con of having a point system for a guild reward for all guilds to reach and then if you are in the top X your guild will receive an additional reward or larger one.

For Example:
The current personal conquest goal is 35,000 points and the guild rewards for the top 10 guilds are 10 Jawa Junk,1 Gathering Lockbox, 50K credit certificate, and 1 encryption plan

So set the guild goal to 350,000 points (that is 10 people at 35,000). Then if the guild earn that many points give them the above rewards. If they finish in the top x (say 10 for this example) , then they get an addition 5 Jawa junk, another 50K Credit Certificate and additional encryption plan. (this can be modified if many ways).

By doing this all guilds have a chance of getting some kind of rewards for investing their time into the game and the guilds have some bragging rights to shoot for.
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