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So what do we get in return for all the hard work on Guild Ships?

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So what do we get in return for all the hard work on Guild Ships?

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Kantaso
08.06.2014 , 09:56 AM | #31
So basically 3 planets gazillion of megaguilds, small guilds and medium guilds get the shaft. So why bother then? What is the benefit for a small or medium size guild to bother with a guild ship?
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08.06.2014 , 10:02 AM | #32
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So basically 3 planets gazillion of megaguilds, small guilds and medium guilds get the shaft. So why bother then? What is the benefit for a small or medium size guild to bother with a guild ship?
3 planets? what?
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08.06.2014 , 10:03 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Kantaso View Post
So basically 3 planets gazillion of megaguilds, small guilds and medium guilds get the shaft. So why bother then? What is the benefit for a small or medium size guild to bother with a guild ship?
no i think the super, large and medium guilds will shut the small guilds out. you really think a guild of 15-20 , that in reality can field maybe 4-5 players at a time can compete with the guilds that can field hundreds? i want some of what you are smoking if you think that is not going to happen.
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08.06.2014 , 10:09 AM | #34
Yeah... I was excited about the guildship, but unfortunately, the majority of the active players in our smallish guild don't think it is worth the effort any longer. We did, and we had early on estimated the cost that we felt was reasonable (your own experience may vary (it is our opinion) We saved up 30 Million, which we thought would be sufficient for entry, and a maybe few service unlocks (not a pimped out ship).

The idea of these Conquests is just not enough perceived value for us to justify 50,000,000 credits (to start). We have no illusions of being on the Top Guilds page of any planet, be it 3 or 50. And thats fine, we knew that the conquest was some sort of ranking system and control system... and while it would have been something different to do... we knew early on that we wouldn't see our 'names up in lights" and were ok with it.

But it all lost its luster when the true costs became known...

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08.06.2014 , 10:11 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Santay View Post
I beat you, my interest is gone. Smaller guilds just lost. ill save the few credits we were able to pull together and put it towards a guild stronghold.

I am very disappointed, had hoped it would be fair across the board, small guilds wont stand a chance when the super guilds hit. It will be the same 10 guilds in the top ten ALL THE TIME.

Oh and for those who say "gee that is a defeatist attitude", or "your guild sux" etc, just keep it to your self dont need your elitist attitude or you running your mouth, you wanted the price so high that only the "BEST" guilds can compete. well enjoy your ever shrinking small pod.

When will Bioware invest in a guild recruitment system? so smaller guilds can start to grow and not be shut out?

I guess never
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08.06.2014 , 10:16 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Santay View Post
no i think the super, large and medium guilds will shut the small guilds out. you really think a guild of 15-20 , that in reality can field maybe 4-5 players at a time can compete with the guilds that can field hundreds? i want some of what you are smoking if you think that is not going to happen.
This is what I was worried about with this conquest stuff and why I already lost interest beforehand. The guild ship will mostly be a hangout for most guilds once it's decided which guilds are the stronger ones and most people have given up on trying to take over a planet from them. Oh well I hope that the people who were looking forward to this part can find a way to get something out of it anyway.
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08.06.2014 , 10:23 AM | #37
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My guild is a raiding guild so we have 70 mill in the bank and enough members that it would take a guild of 600-800 people to squeeze us out so this is not our worry.
Then you worry me.

I was in 1 of the Best Guilds in ESO for the first month (Pantheon and Parthenon). Our Parthenon Guild had 500 ppl of course, then we had to make a second Guild for other ppl that liked our Guild. We also held on to Emperorship for a Month. Ppl got me really angry because of the Fact that other Guilds were Jealous of us because of us having Emperorship. Other Guilds began to leave our groups in Pvp Craglorn Area.

The other Guilds after awhile said they would only help our Guild in Pvp if we would let other Guilds in our Alliance give them Emperorship. I told the Officers to tell them to go Earn it, by then ou Guild has lost a cpl hundred ppl due to /bugs and Gold Spammers. Finaly because no other Guilds were willing to help ours. The Other Alliance took it from our Alliance side, though by then most every1 no longer cared in our Guild about losing but some of us real Pvp'ers.


Moral of the story is................ No matter how big ur Guild is, it's only as strong as it's weakest link sometimes. We had probably had the Most powerful Guild at that time, IDK. But if there are to be Mega Guilds with this 2.9 Update. Then so much love that ppl would have had for this game will only turn against The Devs and the Mega-Guilds to. I think every1 should have a chance at the Crown. If there is just 2 or maybe 3 Mega-Guilds, then they could Collapse in a very very bad way unless the Guild Leaders can keep their Guildies Busy. If every1 tries to create Mega-Guilds then this game, in my Opinion, be in a bad state. There is a Very Good reason why there are so many different and diverse Guilds.

If 2 or 3 Mega-Guilds are on each side, then this game could be in trouble due to Corrupt minds??
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08.06.2014 , 10:28 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Drockter View Post
Yeah... I was excited about the guildship, but unfortunately, the majority of the active players in our smallish guild don't think it is worth the effort any longer. We did, and we had early on estimated the cost that we felt was reasonable (your own experience may vary (it is our opinion) We saved up 30 Million, which we thought would be sufficient for entry, and a maybe few service unlocks (not a pimped out ship).

The idea of these Conquests is just not enough perceived value for us to justify 50,000,000 credits (to start). We have no illusions of being on the Top Guilds page of any planet, be it 3 or 50. And thats fine, we knew that the conquest was some sort of ranking system and control system... and while it would have been something different to do... we knew early on that we wouldn't see our 'names up in lights" and were ok with it.

But it all lost its luster when the true costs became known...
Im with ya in the same situation, was super excited about guilds getting some love.

I dont think /BW did a true count the cost of this, so many people were pumped about this but now we see what the cost vs benefit will be. a lot of people hanging on waiting on 2.9 thinking it will be for all guilds will be lost.

small guilds will be cannibalized and will forced to go to the larger guilds if they want to do the high end content. ( all the larger guilds will say.. gee i see nothing wrong with this).

even if BW put in place a lock out timer for the guilds constantly placing in the top 10 it still will not be worth the cost.
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Infernixx
08.06.2014 , 10:29 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
This is what I was worried about with this conquest stuff and why I already lost interest beforehand. The guild ship will mostly be a hangout for most guilds once it's decided which guilds are the stronger ones and most people have given up on trying to take over a planet from them. Oh well I hope that the people who were looking forward to this part can find a way to get something out of it anyway.
Believe it or not, I agree with you.

There 'has' to be some sort of balancing component to the system or the largest guilds will dominate. And on those servers where those huge guilds don't exist yet, that'll change very shortly.

I've seen this in other games. In things like this, the more people you have, the better your chances. People recruit with that logic and most players understand that in numbers, there is strength. Soon enough, the middle-sized guilds merge into huge guilds and small guilds are left in the dust.

It becomes a game of 'merge or die.' I mean, why would three middling guilds fight it out when they can combine forces, dominate and maintain control over whatever world they set their eyes on? It's not like there's any reason 'not' to merge. There's no advantage to being in a small guild with this system.
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08.06.2014 , 10:34 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by MandFlurry View Post
Then you worry me.

I was in 1 of the Best Guilds in ESO for the first month (Pantheon and Parthenon). Our Parthenon Guild had 500 ppl of course, then we had to make a second Guild for other ppl that liked our Guild. We also held on to Emperorship for a Month. Ppl got me really angry because of the Fact that other Guilds were Jealous of us because of us having Emperorship. Other Guilds began to leave our groups in Pvp Craglorn Area.

The other Guilds after awhile said they would only help our Guild in Pvp if we would let other Guilds in our Alliance give them Emperorship. I told the Officers to tell them to go Earn it, by then ou Guild has lost a cpl hundred ppl due to /bugs and Gold Spammers. Finaly because no other Guilds were willing to help ours. The Other Alliance took it from our Alliance side, though by then most every1 no longer cared in our Guild about losing but some of us real Pvp'ers.


Moral of the story is................ No matter how big ur Guild is, it's only as strong as it's weakest link sometimes. We had probably had the Most powerful Guild at that time, IDK. But if there are to be Mega Guilds with this 2.9 Update. Then so much love that ppl would have had for this game will only turn against The Devs and the Mega-Guilds to. I think every1 should have a chance at the Crown. If there is just 2 or maybe 3 Mega-Guilds, then they could Collapse in a very very bad way unless the Guild Leaders can keep their Guildies Busy. If every1 tries to create Mega-Guilds then this game, in my Opinion, be in a bad state. There is a Very Good reason why there are so many different and diverse Guilds.

If 2 or 3 Mega-Guilds are on each side, then this game could be in trouble due to Corrupt minds??
You are spot on, but did BW even considered this ? i would hope there are some BW people who saw this coming.
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