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Why I still choose SWTOR over newer MMO's

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Why I still choose SWTOR over newer MMO's

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OddballEasyEight
07.13.2014 , 04:44 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear View Post
Exactly Ts.

EA has outright failed (or more like refused) to enforce their own naming policy
So a policy thats not enforced
is no policy at all

The naming policy needs to be enforced on RP servers because on RP servers immersion in the setting matters.

It might not matter to the kids and non RPs out there (like the guy I quote below this reply) because they have never understood the concept of enviroment or immersion.

Prior to WOW, RP servers were called (unofficially) mature servers.
It wasnt even about the RP (for some it was but for many...myself included) it was about having a server that didnt allow the kiddy nonsense of tasteless mom jokes. Of swear words in names. Of copyritten names and material being copied.

A RP server before WOW dumbed down the genre was a setting that most post 30 year old players could enjoy and thrive and yes, partake in Role Play (that wasn't about cyber sexing ....again for guy quoted below. Really kinda sad some people still think Role Playing in MMORPGs is about cyber sexing to be honest).

There is no server in WOW, RIFT, SW:TOR, Neverwinter, or Defiant that can fill that role in todays market (and im sure its no different in ESO or Wildstar honestly)

Real RP servers need enforced naming rules and light (but present) moderation of the general chat channel (cause not everyone really wants to hear a 4 hour stupidfest about Rape in general chat.......sadly thats NOT some fabricated topic but one thats been on DK General 2 times in last 3 days while I run bounties).




Kid, you have no clue what your talking about so just stop already
Seriously just stop
I've had plenty of names that I reported "gone" after a while.

But it takes time. It's not like it's gonna happen over night.

Just keep reporting the names you see that violate the naming rules.
Trust me, it works.

The main problem isn't that it isn't being enforced, the main problem is that it relies completely on player policing (ie. reporting) and a woefully large number of players don't even know there are any naming rules.
Hell, most even dispute you if you claim that there are naming rules.
THAT is the problem. A guy can have xXxDratVadherxXx as his name for years without a single person reporting him because the vast majority of them either don't care or don't think there are any rules for it.
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jedip_enguin
07.13.2014 , 05:32 AM | #32
Cant we all just play whatever we want to and stop worrying about what other people are playing?
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Vincire
07.13.2014 , 06:42 AM | #33
I've played SWTOR since late beta (with breaks in between) but SWTOR will always be my favorite MMO for the story and leveling experience. I find it very appealing visually with a superior story experience and a world my character actually feels a part of.

My only complaint is that it's a little too similar to the WoW in it's design structure but that's been changing gradually. Regardless, SWTOR has been my game of choice for a long time now where no other MMO (and I have played a lot of them) has been able to compare.

I am very interested to see how the game evolves in the coming years especially when the new Star Wars movies are released. 2015 should be a very exciting year for us!
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LordArtemis
07.13.2014 , 06:55 AM | #34
Well, I am glad that you returned to the game. I think the game is in pretty good shape now compared to it's launch state which was abysmal in many ways in my view.

Though it still has it's flaws IMO, what it does right it does the best in the industry.

Just my take. Sometimes it's difficult for us to understand why folks do not love the things we love. That is human nature at work.

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Lotharofxev
07.13.2014 , 07:07 AM | #35
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Kid, you have no clue what your talking about so just stop already
Seriously just stop
Ahh the board ignore feature. My first victim. And Kalfear? You might want to consider upping your dosage.

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TheRealJe
07.17.2014 , 12:51 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Well, I am glad that you returned to the game. I think the game is in pretty good shape now compared to it's launch state which was abysmal in many ways in my view.

Though it still has it's flaws IMO, what it does right it does the best in the industry.

Just my take. Sometimes it's difficult for us to understand why folks do not love the things we love. That is human nature at work.
In the midst of all this arguing, it makes me happy that you said that for some reason, thanks!

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Kalfear
07.17.2014 , 04:52 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by OddballEasyEight View Post
I've had plenty of names that I reported "gone" after a while.

But it takes time. It's not like it's gonna happen over night.

Just keep reporting the names you see that violate the naming rules.
Trust me, it works.

The main problem isn't that it isn't being enforced, the main problem is that it relies completely on player policing (ie. reporting) and a woefully large number of players don't even know there are any naming rules.
Hell, most even dispute you if you claim that there are naming rules.
THAT is the problem. A guy can have xXxDratVadherxXx as his name for years without a single person reporting him because the vast majority of them either don't care or don't think there are any rules for it.
Honestly OddBall, I rerolled on a normal PVE Server as I was so frustrated with the lack of name enforcement on original RP Server. Along with seeing open hostility directed at any person who even dared to try and RP their character over general planetary channel.

Me, Im not a big Role Players anymore, I prefer the server usually for setting and enviroment more then actually Role Playing. But really gets under my skin when I see Do0dz attacking others in chat because they dared to role play on a Role Playing server.

Should point out DAoC also handled naming issues on their Role Play servers by player reporting 100%. And a improper name change never took more then couple weeks.
Name was reported
Mythic reviewed name and if against TOS sent a letter to subscriber informing them of problem and to submit 5 names they would like to have their character name changed to
if they hadn't responded in 2 weeks Mythic went ahead and picked a new name for them
If all 5 of their name choices broke TOS or were already taken, Mythic choose a new name for them

Was and is absolutely no reason a reported name doesn't get changed with in 2 weeks
We all agree to the TOS when we role there so excuse of "Well I though Stinkyballs was an acceptable RP Name" doesn't fly.

Nor would mashmellowman
DarthRevann
Lorddarthvader
LukeofSkywalker
and a host of other names that never got changed (and while my examples are not exact names (as that would be against forum TOS) they are similar to what was on old RP server) in the 6 months I played at release on RP server

As I said, I moved to a normal server so stupid names wouldn't bother me as on normal PVE servers you have no expectation of naming rules and regulations.

Still I really do believe any company that runs a MMORPG shoudl supply a real RP server that has rules enforced and monitored

Otherwise you just attract kids who think RP is only cybersex'ing and go there looking to trool and flame those who are there because its an RP server.

To me people trolling RP Servers are about the same as people that roll on a PVP server and then complain they got jumped and killed by a PVPer. Only real difference being the PVPers get to kill the idiots who role there not expecting PVP. The RPers are forced to hope the company running what ever RP server will moderate and enforce the server rules.
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hadoken
07.17.2014 , 05:41 AM | #38
I keep coming back because of the two things that make this game unique:

Star Wars

BioWare story

I could really give a crap about most of the multiplayer content, and really wish they'd do more 'class stories' but I do keep coming back to play through the original game (Makeb isn't too bad, but still isn't the same).

On the name issue, chances are they have to have a character reported x times before they take action. I seem to recall that's how it was at Mythic, though I can't remember how many times a character had to be flagged first (I want to say 5 but that might be too low).

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OddballEasyEight
07.17.2014 , 06:25 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear View Post
Honestly OddBall, I rerolled on a normal PVE Server as I was so frustrated with the lack of name enforcement on original RP Server. Along with seeing open hostility directed at any person who even dared to try and RP their character over general planetary channel.

Me, Im not a big Role Players anymore, I prefer the server usually for setting and enviroment more then actually Role Playing. But really gets under my skin when I see Do0dz attacking others in chat because they dared to role play on a Role Playing server.

Should point out DAoC also handled naming issues on their Role Play servers by player reporting 100%. And a improper name change never took more then couple weeks.
Name was reported
Mythic reviewed name and if against TOS sent a letter to subscriber informing them of problem and to submit 5 names they would like to have their character name changed to
if they hadn't responded in 2 weeks Mythic went ahead and picked a new name for them
If all 5 of their name choices broke TOS or were already taken, Mythic choose a new name for them

Was and is absolutely no reason a reported name doesn't get changed with in 2 weeks
We all agree to the TOS when we role there so excuse of "Well I though Stinkyballs was an acceptable RP Name" doesn't fly.

Nor would mashmellowman
DarthRevann
Lorddarthvader
LukeofSkywalker
and a host of other names that never got changed (and while my examples are not exact names (as that would be against forum TOS) they are similar to what was on old RP server) in the 6 months I played at release on RP server

As I said, I moved to a normal server so stupid names wouldn't bother me as on normal PVE servers you have no expectation of naming rules and regulations.

Still I really do believe any company that runs a MMORPG shoudl supply a real RP server that has rules enforced and monitored

Otherwise you just attract kids who think RP is only cybersex'ing and go there looking to trool and flame those who are there because its an RP server.

To me people trolling RP Servers are about the same as people that roll on a PVP server and then complain they got jumped and killed by a PVPer. Only real difference being the PVPers get to kill the idiots who role there not expecting PVP. The RPers are forced to hope the company running what ever RP server will moderate and enforce the server rules.
Well, I don't know what to tell you except the fact that most of the names I've reported have been changed (well, they dissapear at least).

Oh and as for roleplaying in general planet chat... that's a big no-no...
For several reasons:
1: It clogs up the chat.
2: it's not meant for roleplaying (general chat is not considered "in-game")
3: It's not exactly immersive to be able to hear a conversation that someone is having on the other side of the planet. So this actually BREAKS immersion for many.
4: /say is the generally accepted roleplay "channel" because it has a realistic range. You won't overhear discussions that people are having on the other side of tatooine. If you HAVE to have a roleplaying conversation over the radio or somesuch, you can always create a custom channel.
5: There are many different views on what is and is not considered "proper" roleplaying and forcing your roleplaying session on the rest of the planet will inevetably draw the wrong kind of attention.

So no... General chat is not for roleplaying. Even on a roleplaying server.
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slaogwerk
07.17.2014 , 07:39 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by TheRealJe View Post
I'm not sure "newer" is a word but I did it get at me.
But anyways, I have tried every new MMO that has released and they just don't cut it for me the way SWTOR does. Probably all of them have a bigger playerbase and aren't called trash and considered a bad MMO like a lot of people would say SWTOR is. But I just don't see how people could ever consider this game bad, like I know the free to play part is what turns a lot of people away but to really experience this game you need to subscribe to it and just completely ignore that there is a free to play way to play because that is complete **** and you'd probably pay more in the cartel than you would just paying a basic $15. But to the "newer" MMO's that I've played. I tried Wildstar that I loved for two weeks then it just felt like WoW, I tried ESO which is just so... bad and I hate to say it because the lore and the whole Elder Scrolls part, I am just in love with you know? Like I love it's Elder Scrolls lore its just not an Elder Scrolls game and doesn't play well at all, and I didn't do the mistake a lot of people did going into it, I looked at it as an MMO first before it being and Elder Scrolls game. I did not have a subscription to SWTOR or have even played it until AFTER I tried these new MMO's because I was giving up hope on the industry. I love MMO's but everything got old. I needed an MMO with established lore, nice visuals, and would actually make me feel immersed and when I first visited this homepage after cancelling my subscription to ESO, I knew I had to try this, so I nervously spent $15 on the sub or $20 because I knew if I tried free to play I'd hate it, and I fell in love. I am in love with this game, the story, the lore, the feeling of being a yellow lightsaber holding evil jedi makes me smile and think about the next time I log in and what is in store for me next. As you can tell this is my first time ever posting in a forum... I just wanted to let people know that SWTOR can compete in this new crowd of MMO's because I've played the new ones and came here for the first time and can't stop playing. Jesus this is very scattered and unorganized.
You're not alone, man. I, too, have tried most of the MMOs on the market. I was here at launch for SWToR, and man, it was chaotic. No end game, balancing issues, glitches.... you name it, so I left for a while and came back now. It's great. As long as you can find the class and story for you, you will have a great time. I think immersion is a stronger word than we make it up to be... it doesn't have to be this ultra-RP thing whatsoever. I believe immersion is a lost thing in games today, even the slightest bit. Something to make you feel invested in whatever it is you're doing. In this game, you get your ship, companions, story and a nice and smooth engine. Combat feels very fluent and I still love PvP in this game, too.

What I'm trying to say is I think immersion plays on the smallest of interest and expands from there. If you ever find yourself feeling a game is empty or shallow, it's usually this. People usually refer to it as "felt like WoW". Now, instead, you refer to it as "what's next in store for me?". I think that's important.

Myself having trouble of choosing Republic or Empire, Jedi Sentinel or Sith Assassin... 'cause I'm morally invested in this game.

Anyway, great having you here.
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