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OK this is getting rather silly regarding hard mode Flashpoint GF

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OK this is getting rather silly regarding hard mode Flashpoint GF

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chillshock
07.16.2014 , 08:04 AM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by lpope View Post
This attitude right here is what tanks get ticked off about. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean that you should even if it makes it marginally faster.

By jumping in first, you are basically saying "I only needed you for the pop, noob". It's disrespectful.
This. The tank wants to have fun. And your way of doing it faster actually does sound like "no fun for a tank". Why should the tank argue, when you KNOW you're making it less enjoyable for him? Why not do "Hey... <name of tank> and <name of heal>, is it ok for you if I go after the weak trash, or should I just wait for your pull?" *wait for answer* *if none given expect that default best-behaviour is hoped for else say* "Cool beans! I'll watch your ressources <name of heal>, promise! " You'd be amazed how many tanks will say "meh, if the healers fine with it" and not throw a fit. Or go "No" or "-" - wich translates to "Oh god no, dont let this be one of those...".

Also: Instances runs fastes when a Tank who knows what he does and what the dds can do does the pulling and doesn't wait until the last weak is dead to pull the next group as long as the heal has ressources. Wich should be the case for most trash if the tank is the one with the aggro.I find those runs smooth and fast. As heal, as tank and as dps.

I bet no tank really does the whole "please behave begging" thing anymore. It's even more degrading than a dps pretending or showing off how he doesn't need a tank to get things done. No matter how true that is for weak trash, what do you expect the tank to do then? stand and wait? Or are you thinking he should work is a... off to get the mobs? Or maybe assist via his leet dps? Yep. I'd not argue with someone acting like you: votekick, if fails: quit. Or maybe I'd even just quit and requeue and be happy I realized that early that the group might be good, but ***** to be in as a tank.

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Halinalle
07.16.2014 , 08:15 AM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by chillshock View Post
However the PUGs want tanks too. And even 'average' tanks or dedicated solo players who level as tank are often better than no tanks at all. However, there is currently nothing in place to reward them for being as tough as they are.
You got that wrong.
Tanks are normal players who will react to bad behaviour, usually in not so good way.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Remember that next time when you're about to say something bad to other group member.

So what you should have said is
"However, there is currently nothing in place to reward them for PUGing."

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chillshock
07.16.2014 , 08:25 AM | #293
Hehe. True. But I have some deep respect for tanks with the guts to queue solo.

However the laws of physics do not apply to human interaction. Don't believe me? Try argueing with my wife!

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DarthTHC
07.16.2014 , 08:47 AM | #294
Quote: Originally Posted by chillshock View Post
Guild tanks aren't really the topic here. Yes they have a made life and it's fun and really rewarding in itself to run with guildies.

However the PUGs want tanks too. And even 'average' tanks or dedicated solo players who level as tank are often better than no tanks at all. However, there is currently nothing in place to reward them for being as tough as they are.
The reward for them is the same as the reward for every player: FUN.

I agree with you that that reward is currently not in place. The way to put that reward in place is for the rest of the players in the group to behave civilly and perform adequately. Not by giving tanks more commendations or credits or whatever. That's getting paid... compensated. Compensation is how your employer encourages you to work for them. Fun is how a game encourages you to play it.

Make flash points fun and tanks will come. Make them hell and, well, you'll keep getting these threads that keep telling you how to fix the problem that apparently you don't want to listen to, but that's not BioWare's problem to solve.

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Kintosi
07.16.2014 , 08:56 AM | #295
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear View Post
The problem is tanks. No one wants to play them.
Actually, I LOVE tanking, to the point of where i think DPS classes are boring. I've been a tank since day -7 (pre-order release) and dont intend to change main classes. The problem is this game give tanks a relatively thankless job. No one lets them pull in HMs, instead the DPS rush in and die, resulting in wipes that are then blamed on the tank. in pvp, tanks rack up 200k+ protection and get laughed at for low dps after they saved the game multiple times guarding against half the opposing team solo for 45 seconds while backup arrives.

So, try thanking the tanks you do see. maybe add the good ones to your friends list and invite them into groups before you que. My medic friend and I get insta-queues all day long for whatever we decide to play. Give your local tanks some love, and you'll get some love back.
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Kantaso
07.16.2014 , 09:17 AM | #296
I am usually playing as DPS (scoundrel) so I like to surprise the healer when he is healing and suddenly his life is going South, I drop couple of heals on him and most of the time I also drop on the tank, so they go like oh thanks man. I keep my DPSing but always watch for the health of the rest of the crew, may take some more time but it is fun as heck.
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Halinalle
07.16.2014 , 09:17 AM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by chillshock View Post
Hehe. True. But I have some deep respect for tanks with the guts to queue solo.
Oh, you meant that toughness.

Quote: Originally Posted by chillshock View Post
However the laws of physics do not apply to human interaction.
True but that one does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

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BuriDogshin
07.16.2014 , 09:37 AM | #298
Quote: Originally Posted by lpope View Post
By jumping in first, [DPS] are basically saying "I only needed you for the pop, noob". It's disrespectful.
I disagree. By jumping first, they may instead be saying "It's just two silvers and three weaks, I can solo this so let me save everyone some time." And for a 180-geared DPS in a HM FP, that's often true.

A lot of people want to "put the FLASH into FlashPoints" because they have other things to do or just enjoy rushing through it. So presuming they do not respect the tank is going a bit far. And besides, they are lowering the tank's repair bill ...

Unless the healer objects to it, even when tanking, I don't think who pulls the trash is an issue if no one dies.

Tanked my Vanguard in HM FPs for the first time yesterday, and it went well, even with that crazy-good DPS we drew who started half the trash fights. I really prefer my PT's Jet Leap to the Vanguard Charge, it is amazing how much difference the different animations make. And Rocket Punch is way cooler than the VG equivalent.
Going Preferred January 31, 2015.

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BuriDogshin
07.16.2014 , 09:46 AM | #299
Quote: Originally Posted by Halinalle View Post
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Remember that next time when you're about to say something bad to other group member.
^^This. If there were fewer no-life adolescents (of whatever age) getting that cheap thrill of false superiority by yelling "you SUXXXXS" at every noob tank, and more people helping newbies of any role learn their role, their gear, and the op, we'd all be better off. But unfortunately, helping people takes more time and effort than being a jerk.
Going Preferred January 31, 2015.

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Halinalle
07.16.2014 , 10:29 AM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by BuriDogshin View Post
Unless the healer objects to it, even when tanking, I don't think who pulls the trash is an issue if no one dies.
They only learn that it is great way to force tank to move. And that's something we don't want them to learn.

They still have to learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7873rVbako