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Stronghold retirement/reactivation, are you pushing us to buy them with cc?

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Stronghold retirement/reactivation, are you pushing us to buy them with cc?
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Tsillah
07.13.2014 , 06:11 AM | #1
I was reading through dulfy's notes http://dulfy.net/2014/07/02/swtor-ga...estream-notes/ and found the following interesting and worrying note:

Upkeep cost to maintain strongholds? Nope but if you deactivate/retire a stronghold, it will cost you to reactivate it if you bought it with credits. If you bought it with cartel coins there is no reactivation fee.

Now I've asked in the sticky thread above and during the last livestream but either they just keep missing the question or are unwilling to answer it but really I think with this starting in about a month's time it's not an unfair question to ask.

Why would anyone retire a stronghold?

The reason I ask the question is because there is a distinction made between buying the stronghold with credits in game or with cartel coins. Now if there is no maintenance cost, I don't actually see a reason why anyone would deactivate it. There just is no need for a player to have that option if it makes no difference to you.

So I have to wonder...is stronghold retirment actually an option or is it something that simply happens under certain circumstances? There has to be something, why else make a difference between a credit and a cc purchase...

And with that, it just sounds like something that more or less might make people feel forced to buy it with cc in order to avoid any possible negative effects. This is not a nice idea for someone who is subbed either.

So really when you put together that there is no apparent maintenance cost, then why would there be a retirement of a stronghold and more importanly a reactivation fee and yes, why the difference between credit and cc purchases?
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TheNahash
07.13.2014 , 06:18 AM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
So I have to wonder...is stronghold retirment actually an option or is it something that simply happens under certain circumstances? There has to be something, why else make a difference between a credit and a cc purchase...
I don't know how a stronghold could get retired but it makes sense that if you bought something with CC (i.e. real money) then you get to reactivate it for free should you choose to do so. Credits are "free", CC are not

Although, to be perfectly honest, it's surprising that there isn't a reactivation fee of a few CC. It's not like Bioware to give out free things.
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Tsillah
07.13.2014 , 06:24 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by TheNahash View Post
I don't know how a stronghold could get retired but it makes sense that if you bought something with CC (i.e. real money) then you get to reactivate it for free should you choose to do so. Credits are "free", CC are not
My sub isn't free either. And I don't have to pay a reactivation fee for my individual characters when I resub for example.

I mean, I don't know what the deal about this is so at this stage I just don't know. But I would feel that while being subbed I wouldn't have to pay a reactivation fee as I am already paying for the game. There is nothing else in the game that I can buy with credits that can get retired and need reactivation if I don't use it for a while or something.

There are lots of unknowns like will it cost more if you have more rooms unlocked etc. but I just want some clarity on the issue. As a customer I think it's fair to know what I'm spending money on before I get it. All in all as there are no maintenace cost I don't see any good reason for a player to retire his stronghold. He can just leave it for what it is. So there's gotta be something more to it.
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LordArtemis
07.13.2014 , 06:39 AM | #4
It is a bit odd to me. I was trying to think of a reason I would retire a stronghold, and I could not come up with on.

I considered perhaps the idea that decorations have to be had individually to be used, so perhaps someone would retire one house to push all the decorations to another...but then I thought "why do that, if there is no maintenance cost? You would just leave it empty...".

So I really don't know. Maybe they were covering all bases here.

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Darth_Wicked
07.13.2014 , 09:41 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
It is a bit odd to me. I was trying to think of a reason I would retire a stronghold, and I could not come up with on.

I considered perhaps the idea that decorations have to be had individually to be used, so perhaps someone would retire one house to push all the decorations to another...but then I thought "why do that, if there is no maintenance cost? You would just leave it empty...".

So I really don't know. Maybe they were covering all bases here.
As I pointed out earlier in another thread, maybe only subscribers can have more that two or three Strongholds activated? Maybe Preferred can have like three and F2P two at most.

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mcburly
07.13.2014 , 10:14 AM | #6
My guess is that F2p players can only have so many strongholds active. Subs probably dont have anything to worry about with that. Similar to how many characters F2P can access
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ThorgrimLutgen
07.13.2014 , 10:42 AM | #7
Interesting topic.

In Lotro, if you do not log for a period of time, you lose access to your housing, but, you can pay a nominal fee to unlock it again. I think the idea behind it being that you sell your house and let someone else get your spot in the neighbourhood.

I am almost certain that SWTOR will not have neighbourhoods with different looking homesteads, different spots etc. I full expect every person homestead to be an identical copy.

If I am wrong and each neighbourhood, if indeed we have those at all, has different spots, house styles etc, then that would be no bad thing for those interested in housing.

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Darth_Wicked
07.13.2014 , 10:43 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by ThorgrimLutgen View Post
Interesting topic.

In Lotro, if you do not log for a period of time, you lose access to your housing, but, you can pay a nominal fee to unlock it again. I think the idea behind it being that you sell your house and let someone else get your spot in the neighbourhood.

I am almost certain that SWTOR will not have neighbourhoods with different looking homesteads, different spots etc. I full expect every person homestead to be an identical copy.

If I am wrong and each neighbourhood, if indeed we have those at all, has different spots, house styles etc, then that would be no bad thing for those interested in housing.
They've already confirmed that to be the case.

The only difference comes down to decorations and Strongholds in contested planets being located in different areas.

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Anaesha
07.13.2014 , 11:15 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
My sub isn't free either. And I don't have to pay a reactivation fee for my individual characters when I resub for example.

I mean, I don't know what the deal about this is so at this stage I just don't know. But I would feel that while being subbed I wouldn't have to pay a reactivation fee as I am already paying for the game. There is nothing else in the game that I can buy with credits that can get retired and need reactivation if I don't use it for a while or something.

There are lots of unknowns like will it cost more if you have more rooms unlocked etc. but I just want some clarity on the issue. As a customer I think it's fair to know what I'm spending money on before I get it. All in all as there are no maintenace cost I don't see any good reason for a player to retire his stronghold. He can just leave it for what it is. So there's gotta be something more to it.
Basically you're saying because you pay them $15 a month they should hand you EVERYTHING for free? Sounds a little like perceived entitlement to me.

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jorill
07.13.2014 , 11:29 AM | #10
im just stoked there is no upkeep cost which i find surprising to be honest. I cant figure out why you would retire a stronghold but if you have limited number of f2p as has been suggested that would make sense