OK this is getting rather silly regarding hard mode Flashpoint GF

This is second-hand info as I am one of the few who couldn't play GW2 at launch due to the low FOV they shipped that game with. (I know they have since introduced a slider but after the little I saw I know I have zero interest).

Supposedly, while the game is not designed for a trinity, the player base has effectively mandated one by requiring people to fill the tank, healer, and DPS roles. Which says a lot, if true, about the MMO genre and what we players do in game vs what some say on forums.

PUGs are the wrong places for any players to expect or look for reason IMO. Anything that can go wrong likely will go wrong in a PUG.

The whole "trinity is lazy design omg!" whining vanished entirely from the internet when GW2 launched and people realized just how retarded the group play in that game truly is.

Basically ArenaNet said "A round wheel works nice and is cool but it is time we do things differently for the sake of it. We proudly present you: the square wheel."

But there is a good reason why we are still using round wheels to this day.

The same applies to the trinity. I hope it will be a lesson to the future devs who think that they can come up with a better system because there is simply none.

I would partially disagree, only in so far as to state that tactical flashpoints seem to work pretty well without trinity reliance. Naturally, if raids are designed to require trinity it is needed...if not, trinity will not longer be relevant IMO.

That observation is entirely personal and speculative, naturally.

Yet boss encounters need kolto stations for those group who come with no heals. So while you can go in with no tank lack of healer has to be compensated.

GW2 raiding =/= SWTOR raiding. And for that I thank the good Lord above.

Sure. Its a valid point I think. But still stands as evidence that the absence of trinity can be made to work by design.

I think that a lack of a REQUIREMENT for trinity is a good idea, but naturally folks could still choose to use it. I think that I could speculate that many believe and support the idea that it works. Though I do not like trinity myself, I also share that view.

I think it represents a gate to end game content for casuals however. Just my unsubstantiated view naturally.

That and, if there is a true tank, a tactical is so dumbed down you can literally pull without stopping because the tank is going to take very little damage if they're geared for even just hm fps never mind hm ops. Did CZ labs in 20 minutes the other night, literally.. I zoned in at 9:17, and was going through the door after Rasmus at 9:37, it was like 4 DPS in god mode all the time because it's so dumbed down.. It's hard to make stuff challenging when you don't have someone that can soak up uberamounts of damage or hold aggro instead of a boss playing ping pong on everyone.

This would officially be a sidebar, so sorry in advance.

I have heard this before. Why? What is it about GW2 raids that are bad?