housing got decoration hooks :((

Can you BELIEVE I can't tear up my house and bury it into the ground? Bio FAIL. I can't even plant a space forest. Bio fail again.

Oh. Through the wormhole is on. Time to put the forums down.

Yeah, I can't believe I'm unable to travel through time and space in my already floating Nar Shaddaa house.... Where's my superlaser? Where's my nuclear missile silo?

Why do most of you guys defending against free placement keep pulling out the "you can't put a couch on the ceiling" card, to me that is like the "heal to full" statement, it sounds stupid.

Housing has "as much flexibility as possible" (quote from dev twitch stream) to rotating and marginally moving decorations in a confined XY axis and hook placement, in other words, not very flexible. As other posters have said, we would like to put a vase on a table, or showcase a mount on a stand/podium, or create a variation of shroud's production facility from the shroud's final stand.

It's great that swtor is getting housing, but as it stands right now, from watching the twitch stream, housing looks and feels like a glorified trophy cabinet.

Oh, if there is anything I am sure of Arkerus, its that I have no problem "keeping up"......

.....AND people have to accept whats there, you can't break the game, ad nauseum....unless you think the folks that don't like hooks are the only ones being loud.

I agree, they are not very constructive, SOME OF THEM. Same thing on the "defender' side. Some folks, however, have tried to post helpful constructive comments, both pro and con....but naturally the loudest folks on both sides of the fence soundly trounce those folks more often than not.

I think we are all aware of that Arkerus.

A bit of speculation here, but again, I think everyone knows this.

ONE OF THE VERY FEW SENSIBLE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID BY ANYONE SO FAR. Funny what happens when you put down the 4 year old giddy shenanigans and actually use adult speak...eh?

Same can be said for the defender side. There is plenty of silly behavior that lacks self respect to go around.

....which places you firmly in the "lack of self respect" group. This kind of comment makes you exactly the kind of person you are complaining about.

Could someone who doesnt like the fact that folks complain do the same? Methinks that is probably the case.....

AH! One more grown up comment in a sea of diatribe! Its too bad you can't have more of this and less of "hit myself in the head with a brick" kind of comments.

Hmm. Pointless argument? Plenty of that from both sides. No one cares? Who the heck are you to speak for everyone! If the artist in you is hurt....or the little kid with his toy is hurt his little sister or brother doesnt like his toy, goochy goo?

Come on guys. A bit of snark is fine, but do you really lack self respect so badly that you can't post positive or negative comments without sounding like your trying to whistle out of your bum?

How about everyone puts down the bricks and pitchforks and try making sense for once? BOTH SIDES.

....did I keep up?

How about this....stop acting like annoyed little children and actually make sensible arguments pro and con....and lay off those that do. If you like the system and others don't....suck it up. People will always dislike something about the things you love. If you don't like the system suggest something to make it better, instead of simply raging about it.

ABOVE ALL try and concede that this could be bad for Bioware OR this could be fine. Both things are possible. We will have to see.

NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE but we have to be sensible about this. Raging about it accomplishes nothing.

Above all, try and keep in mind the SENSIBLE part of Arkerus's post....now unburdened by diatribe.

...even if they had used an "open" system, IT still has RULES. It's still not completely open. A system has rules to make it work. NO SYSTEM IS LIMITLESS.

Very wise words Arkerus.

I will add some of my own.

SWGs system, without a UI was a bit TOO LOOSE IMO. Do you really want a system that loose? This system has a nice UI...perhaps there is room to consider some kind of compromise as some folks have suggested?

Fair enough. I will try and post something to that effect shortly, I actually have a post I wrote prior to this announcement. I'll try and expand on that later.

I honestly think tilting would make a huge difference. Just putting a chair on its side or a crate, or a bookshelf fallen over would be good for some themes.

I also really miss stacking items.

Sadly years of trying to communicate with the producers has proven it isn't the case.
Whatever players post, the devs will do what the producer(s) and senior designers tell them to do.

Considering your user_id #820077 and your first thread dates from 12.28.2011 I'm pretty sure you already know that.


Devs knew pretty well players wanted a free placement item for housing.

Listen to the voice tone during the galactic twitch series and Look at the body language. They clearly know they aren't meeting players expectations.

I have been here long enough to see many player requested features, even very large ones, get implemented. I've also seen many ignored. That, to me, seems reasonable considering that the devs have their own vision for the game.

I think it would be more accurate to say that, "Devs knew pretty well some players wanted a free placement item for housing." Many people seem totally OK with it, and personally I think I'd prefer the hook system they've developed. Of course, I'm not a housing fanatic, but I suspect most of the player base isn't. I imagine that many people are interested in housing to one degree or another and will be content to work within whatever system is put in place.

I think any anomalous behavior easily explained by the fact that they know there are packs of rabid trolls out there, waiting to descend on and tear apart anything they do or say - or they may just not be particularly comfortable on camera!

You are welcome to read anything you want into all this - let's just say I think it is just as easy to wear ash-colored glasses as rose-colored ones. I'm not bothering to claim anything, good or bad, until it's released and in my hands for a while.

Only issue being some people at SWTOR headquarters have a very narrow vision and when delivering they are doing it half way only.

They don't even try to make thinks as good as what can be found in others MMO and that's of the issue.

Housing being the last stroke.

Seriously if it's a niche and you do it, at least do it well or don't bother because:
people who don't care about it won't stay subbed for that and people who cares will find better game play in others games. So once again: do it well or don't... there is no try.

For now housing as the space sim in its actual state is just a waste of funds who would have been better used in other mechanics, starting by actual content as it's actually impacting more players.

I can't really offer an unbiased view of GSF because I have literally only done the training mission just to get that quest over with - I have absolutely no use for it at all because I don't do PVP in practically any form. I consider it a waste of resources and time until it has a PVE element added. If I had been in charge, I wouldn't have built it at all, PVE or not. It is obvious that others feel differently because many people seem to like it very much.

As I said, I am reserving judgement on housing until it's out. It's another feature I wouldn't have bothered to spend time and resources on, but since it's not PVP I might actually mess with it. I disagree that, based on what we know, most people will find it a waste of time and resources. I expect it to be fairly popular if the level of polish is sufficient and it is adequately supported by crafting and integration into the rest of the game. For most of the population, the free placement debate will be totally irrelevant.