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No reason not to create a Kotor 3 to go alongside swtor

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No reason not to create a Kotor 3 to go alongside swtor

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JimG
07.08.2014 , 04:03 PM | #31
Not sure how many times and how many different ways they can tell people this, but there will be no KOTOR 3. This game is considered by them to be KOTOR 3++++.

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Vandicus
07.08.2014 , 04:05 PM | #32
Well first off:

What would KoToR 3 be?

And if the answer is: "Something even more unrelated to Revan than KoToR2 was"

Then why should it be called KoToR 3?

I'm not objecting to the idea of Bioware producing another Star Wars single player story rpg, I just don't think there's much more to do with Revan and this iteration of the Sith Empire when it inevitably falls.

Then there's the whole issue with Disney non-canonizing a lot of the materials from which SWTOR and a KoTOR 3 would draw.

I mean, according to their statements, KoToR3 would be canon(should it be made). But if it had a basis in KoToR 1 and 2, does that make that content canon?

It would seem they'd be best off staying away from previous Star Wars content to make things easier to write.
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Nickious
07.08.2014 , 04:09 PM | #33
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Hey! The Lego SW games were fun... (Okay, maybe not the Clone Wars one)
Ok you may have got me there. I have 1 and 2 on my ps2 and played them for a while. I was more referring to more mature SW game series though.

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07.08.2014 , 04:18 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
Then there's the whole issue with Disney non-canonizing a lot of the materials from which SWTOR and a KoTOR 3 would draw.
As far as I'm concerned, nothing Mickey Mouse touches will be canon.
Yeah, I guess that since he owns it now, he can legally set what's canon... oh wait, there's no laws and regulations on canon. It's just traditional that whoever bought it last holds the "canon" stamp.

But just as there is that tradition, there's plenty of precedents of canon splitting in two, a franchise holder version no one cares about and a version accepted by everyone else. In fact, for franchises that change ownership a lot, it's more common than not for accepted canon to settle at one of these multiple owners' versions and whatever comes next to be held as supplementary.

It's a good bet that Star Wars will undergo such a split, the accepted canon settling at C+L, and disney version... going the way of Jar Jar Binks. Three movies, in all likelihood hollow flicks, won't be enough to abandon the whole Expanded Universe.

Unless they realize it too and simply refrain from doing anything significant to rewrite any significant canon, just slap a tie-in into the older films.
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07.08.2014 , 04:19 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Nickious View Post
Ok you may have got me there. I have 1 and 2 on my ps2 and played them for a while. I was more referring to more mature SW game series though.
Alright, I understand what you are saying. Heh, they were pretty amusing though.
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Vandicus
07.08.2014 , 04:23 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Heal-To-Full View Post
As far as I'm concerned, nothing Mickey Mouse touches will be canon, ever.

Yeah, I guess that since he owns it now, he can legally set what's canon and what isn't... oh wait, there's no laws and regulations on canon - it's all in our heads - just traditional that whoever bought it last holds the "canon" stamp.

But just as there is that tradition, there's plenty of precedents of canon splitting in two, a franchise holder version no one cares about and a version accepted by everyone else. In fact, for franchises that change ownership a lot, it's more common than not for accepted canon to settle at one of these multiple owners' versions and whatever comes next to be held as supplementary.

It's a good bet that Star Wars will undergo such a split, the accepted canon settling at around now, and disney version... go the way of Jar Jar Binks. Three movies, in all likelihood hollow flicks, won't be enough to abandon the whole Expanded Universe.
That depends on how tightly Disney wants to hold the reins for games with the Star Wars IP, and the degree of freedom which EA was entitled to from their previous contract regarding development of future Star Wars games.

If Disney really wants to push their new canon hard, they can simply keep developers from releasing new games related to old canon and publishers from publishing books related to the old canon.
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07.08.2014 , 04:35 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
If Disney really wants to push their new canon hard, they can simply keep developers from releasing new games related to old canon and publishers from publishing books related to the old canon.
Can't do that.
Well, legally they can go crazy and forbid anyone from using the trademarks and sue around, but it will break so many pre-existing agreements, including very profitable ones, for no real gain, and it will break what's been already established.

And what's established is that old canon will have "Legends" added after "Star Wars".
That's it. Add the magic word and you're legally in the clear.

As far as fans are concerned, I strongly suspect that "star wars legends" will be just Star Wars and whatever's added by Disney's treated as a separate spin-off.
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Vandicus
07.08.2014 , 04:51 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Heal-To-Full View Post
Can't do that.
Well, legally they can go crazy and forbid anyone from using the trademarks and sue around, but it will break so many pre-existing agreements, including very profitable ones, for no real gain, and it will break what's been already established.

And what's established is that old canon will have "Legends" added after "Star Wars".
That's it. Add the magic word and you're legally in the clear.

As far as fans are concerned, I strongly suspect that "star wars legends" will be just Star Wars and whatever's added by Disney's treated as a separate spin-off.
AFAIK only EA has any sort of significant pre-existing contract allowing them to produce Star Wars products. And that contract in all likelihood afforded LucasArts some degree of control over what they could do with the lore(as LucasArts contracts of the time typically did), which may carry over to Disney depending on what kind of protective clauses EA had.

Disney doesn't need to forbid the use of their IP, they simply need to not license it out. You can't just write and publish a Star Wars book without Disney's approval.
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theUndead
07.08.2014 , 05:01 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by ImmortalLowlife View Post
The story has nothing to do with it....The story is the ONLY reason I play swtor. But there are differences between MMO's and single player RPG. Things you can't do in an MMO......things like save game, pause, cheat codes, etc. So maybe it IS the hardware....it still doesn't change the way I feel. And I feel that this game is a good SW game, But the SW game I'M waiting for will be an open world single player RPG that I can play on my PS4.
I highly doubt this whatever SW game will be for PS4. I am much more inclined to think it will be for PC.
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As theUndead mentioned, I can't exactly spell out all of our policies in depth, but that should hopefully cover your concerns.

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07.08.2014 , 05:09 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
Disney doesn't need to forbid the use of their IP, they simply need to not license it out. You can't just write and publish a Star Wars book without Disney's approval.
No, of course you can't, you have to pay them off, the name ain't free. But they don't care about what's inside the book, as long as it's PG13 or whatever and has "legends" on the cover.

That's the current and future arrangement. Slap a label and work within the good old EU, or whatever you want. They don't regulate what you write, what Clone Wars shows, what Bioware makes in the game, don't even want to know, they just want the money.
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