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Time to vote for Gunslinger/Sniper Q&A (due for 6-6-2014)

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Time to vote for Gunslinger/Sniper Q&A (due for 6-6-2014)
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06.25.2014 , 10:18 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Whojoo View Post
Answers are taking quite some time. Kind of gives me the feeling that they are taking this serious since the engineering question is in there as well.
I expect a good read soon
well the OP questions were picked up on 5/27 and posted on 6/16 14 week days

sniper is at 6/9 so 14 week days puts it at 6/27

tho guardians was 10 week days
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06.25.2014 , 04:14 PM | #72
Really? Thought the Op questions were faster... Appearently I haven't been paying muhc attention. Thanks!
(still expecting a good read with the engineering stuff)
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06.25.2014 , 05:10 PM | #73
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06.25.2014 , 09:40 PM | #74
will there ever be any consideration given to sabotage?
no piece bonuses for pve, i mean thats way overdue getting perma nerfed instead of a piece bonus seems very punishing to me? and make the aoes back to what they were for sabos.
if you want to keep the fly by nerf give sabo a piece bonus to boost it back up to normal.
and those cover roll grenades are crap for pve as a 55 ability for ops, compared to the other classes.
Seems like sabo is totally ignored...
and wheres that "something" you wanted to give us since you didnt the last patches and nerfed us
and undid the dodge, our only hope for cleansing ourselves, with cleanses needed in hm ifnot you die in one shot in ops thats kinda cheap to do that for the pvp whiners and remove it,
I know bioware likes killing its players but cmon thats really cheap, couldnt you have added a cleanse then if you didnt boost our dodge!
every patch theres some sorc, jugg or marauder crap but never any word about sabotage,
i smell an emperor with a conspiricy to nerf sabos by making others stronger and doing nothing about it for them lol. So sick that the devs play so much jedi or should i rather say sith same as swg there all sith freaks the devs or bounty hunter... Seem to forget in this old rep world stuff, without a smug at the end of the movie the jedi would have never gotten the death star down... So the empire should fear smugs rightfully.
Stop just focussing on jedi and give me my guns back, jedi dps pvp is a horrible idea anyways.
Its becomming like a rave in the 90s full of glowsticks but the freaks are raged murderers instead of loving ravers lol and theres way too much melee in the ops now!
they die much more in ops, like 1 or 2 sents is enaugh.
Untill something is done about sabotage the rest is all hot air to me and am sick of false hopes.
Im not a sith i dont beleive your lies rofl.
And last but not least, what about giving us smugs some smuggling missions... im not really smuggling much as a smuggler... feels abit superficial being a smug without the risk of a smuggling mission.

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Whojoo
06.26.2014 , 02:04 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by ODTONE View Post
no piece bonuses for pve, i mean thats way overdue getting perma nerfed instead of a piece bonus seems very punishing to me?
How is an extra energy regain and lower cost of our execute ability a punishment?

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and wheres that "something" you wanted to give us since you didnt the last patches and nerfed us
and undid the dodge, our only hope for cleansing ourselves, with cleanses needed in hm ifnot you die in one shot in ops thats kinda cheap to do that for the pvp whiners and remove it,
You know that dodge had and still has a cleansing effect?

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And last but not least, what about giving us smugs some smuggling missions... im not really smuggling much as a smuggler... feels abit superficial being a smug without the risk of a smuggling mission.
While it would be fun, it should be something in the smuggler storyline and not something repeatable. It still has to be fair for others you know.

I have skipped the sabotage/saboteur stuff. We all want changes to that tree. Thing is they have to rework the whole tree. That is a lot of work and in the background they are working on expensions and other new content as well.
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06.26.2014 , 03:13 AM | #76
lol yes dodge has his effect still but it was suppose to cleanse force stuff also or so have a longer duration , till people complained it was to op ... so it was reverted, and i think also with a shorter cd, wich never happened naturally.
airstrike is less, flashbang is less, giving others something and nothing really to slingers mainly sabo, is less,
youre telling me that little droid boost is a big up? compared to other stuff they added
i dont need xtra power as sabo, never run out of it really, im not a comando lol or a scoundrel heals lol,
so great it gives more of what a sabo doesnt need.
Sabotage does not have the power problem the other smug trees have, we have a refresh on the cd for cool head, and the other piece ability is useless for sabo. and what ability execute sorry? no execute bonus for sabo i think your thinking like a sharpshooter and applying it to sabo. All the smug nerfs happened to aoe stuff in case you didnt notice that. do you even play sabotage, so tell me what i need as someone who never played the tree lol?

The piece bonus is bogus for sabo almost better to use the scoundrel 2 piece and get the xrta run from blaster wip,
wich isnt really what a sabo needs either,and the sabo tree wasnt that bad untill all this new messing around, sharpshooter is boring to me, im not a parser so i dont really want to play sharp, dots are even more boring, and because other smug ac who are using flyby as single attack we get it nerfed,
doesnt that rather mean improve sharp or single attacks, if they need fly by as single attack?
sabo use all their aoes also as single attacks. So nerfing fly by basically nerfed our biggest attack.

well get others involved in the smug missions, make them have to catch them or so discover the goods etc...
"jabba even i get boarded sometimes"
could even combine it with the bounty hunter event. dont see people complaining that its called bounty missions, didnt i just say devs love bounties and sith lol and how does bounty missions relate even as an activity for a light side guardian tank lol.
for spies could be smuggling some secret pub data etc..
big problem here people have no imagination...

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Whojoo
06.26.2014 , 05:37 AM | #77
Sigh.. Here we go...
Please for any future responds, try to help the reader a bit. I mean at least use the names. I mean what am I supposed to do with "the droid boost"?

Quote: Originally Posted by ODTONE View Post
lol yes dodge has his effect still but it was suppose to cleanse force stuff also or so have a longer duration , till people complained it was to op
To correct myself a bit, it actually purges stuff instead of cleanse. Healers cleanse and dodge purges.
So back to the quote, Dodge purges any effect that can be purged. That includes the DoTs with cleanse protection.
Besides that it gives a 3 second melee and ranged attack protection.
The effect that was tested and later removed was a tech and force protection in addition of the above effect.

Quote: Originally Posted by ODTONE View Post
airstrike is less, flashbang is less, giving others something and nothing really to slingers mainly sabo, is less,
youre telling me that little droid boost is a big up? compared to other stuff they added
droid boost, droid boost.... Oh you mean Defense screen, I think. If not then please tell me what ability you are talking about.
And please quote me where I mention it is 'a big up'. The buff was necessary and nice, but calling it big would be overdoing it.

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i dont need xtra power as sabo, never run out of it really, im not a comando lol or a scoundrel heals lol,
so great it gives more of what a sabo doesnt need.
Wait is this still about the droid boost? What power do you not run out of? Or better said, what are you talking about? (this also applies to most of what you have written)

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Sabotage does not have the power problem the other smug trees have,
Can you please start calling the tree Saboteur? I mean I get confused a lot with the ability Sabotage Charge.

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and the other piece ability is useless for sabo. and what ability execute sorry? no execute bonus for sabo i think your thinking like a sharpshooter and applying it to sabo.
Oh this is going to be fun, lets take a look at the next quote before I continue..

Quote: Originally Posted by ODTONE View Post
All the smug nerfs happened to aoe stuff in case you didnt notice that. do you even play sabotage, so tell me what i need as someone who never played the tree lol?
I admit I do not use Saboteur often, but I do use it.
Now you are (I think) assuming I have never used the tree and know nothing of it, while you don't even know about Quick Draw? You know, your execute ability?
It is the ability you try to use as often as possible on targets below 30% health. And the lower cost (note, 4pc pve set bonus) allowing you to use it more often without risking to ruin your energy.

Besides may I remind you of a certain relic glitch which has been fixed? Which lowered the overall damage output of all 3 trees both single and multi target.

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The piece bonus is bogus for sabo almost better to use the scoundrel 2 piece and get the xrta run from blaster wip,
I have a feeling you are talking pvp here. In which case I agree that the effects should be more worthwhile.

If you are talking pve though, then the 4 pc is usefull. Whether you agree with me or not, I don't care since you can't avoid the facts. Less energy spent on Quick Draw means more energy for other abilities.
Admitted, Dirty Fighting benefits more than the other 2 trees.

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wich isnt really what a sabo needs either,and the sabo tree wasnt that bad untill all this new messing around, sharpshooter is boring to me, im not a parser so i dont really want to play sharp, dots are even more boring, and because other smug ac who are using flyby as single attack we get it nerfed,
doesnt that rather mean improve sharp or single attacks, if they need fly by as single attack?
sabo use all their aoes also as single attacks. So nerfing fly by basically nerfed our biggest attack.
The only way to get it out of the single target rotation was to make other abilities worth picking over flyby. Thing is, that would make Gunslinger overpowered (which at the time was already one of the strongest).
It is annoying, but the nerf had to happen.
And guess what, they are re-designing Saboteur to make it better. That costs a lot of time.

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well get others involved in the smug missions, make them have to catch them or so discover the goods etc...
"jabba even i get boarded sometimes"
could even combine it with the bounty hunter event. dont see people complaining that its called bounty missions, didnt i just say devs love bounties and sith lol and how does bounty missions relate even as an activity for a light side guardian tank lol.
for spies could be smuggling some secret pub data etc..
big problem here people have no imagination...
It should be story only.
If you add a feature to just a single class, then you create conflict. A new gameplay feature has to be available for everyone, no matter the class.
Making smuggler the euhm... smuggler and the other classes the 'police' will cause people to complain. Not everyone wants to create a smuggler, but most people do want to test all gameplay features. If they can't because they do not have a smuggler, then they will (rightfully) complain.
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06.26.2014 , 05:38 AM | #78
sry dude dont feel like talking to ya for futur refrences rofl, i think what i do not happy your problem lol, im not gonna spend my day arguing with someone i dont even know whos just contradicting everything, like in some court of law rofl, get your own ideas, your post looks abit scary like highlighting everything, compulsive behavior maybe lol or law student ? its a whole page long think im gonna read that? All you want is to make yourself look good over my post and me bad , so i dont really care what you think, nothing positive will come out of this discussion.

this will be fun:
like i said energy isnt a sabos problem yet you persist to tell me i need more energy, so i can use my execute with no loss, i never need more energy and i dont use the piece bonuses, dont you get it, sabo dont have the problems you do with energy , normal that you like it its made for your build not mine, you seem not to be really seeing what i said, play sabo and well talk, i bet you wouldnt even understand the proper rotations for "saboteur", much more complex than sharpshooter.
but hey i can save the energy i dont need i guess rofl
when my "execute" is firing off i dont need much more power the stuff will die pretty quick from there on.

youre the one going btw i hadnt talked to you, so pff here we go back lol
you talk to me and then are suprised i reply , what world do you live in, im not your little boy lol?
then dont reply wont be any going ... you dont even play my class build, how do you know aside being an expert at contradicting? Its like me as sabo telling you as sharpshooter what you need?

and saying that the blaster wip bonus is pvp gear... shows you didnt even check all the smug piece bonus,
yet your discussing it?
Look at the pve enforcer bonus set then talk, youll be happy the 4 piece is more energy! :

http://ootinicast.com/2013/05/pve-pv...s-classes-2-0/

the 2 piece pve bonus increases 15% crits on it! there end of discussion, its a fact !
there is no blaster wip bonus for pvp! that is a dodge increase get your facts straight!
youre just telling me how to talk but have very poor facts! I bet now youll go edit that part since i didnt post like you, to stop the embarrasment. go do your lawyer thing lol.

and i know quick draw btw its just funny watching you be all over it lol you said execute not quick draw lol.
instead you rather talk to me like some child in school, instead of just saying its the quick draw rofl. Sorry i dont talk with people who talk like that you know lol , you know blaster wip that thing you can use when someones in melee range rofl.

and you even admit yourself that the airstrike is a nerf, even in your sharpshooter sticky, it even strarts with that and then you have the nerve to tell me "saboteur" isnt nerfed.
make a saboteur sticky id love to see that rofl.
Saboteur just sux when you dont know how to use it or are a parser, these changes are making it worst.
how is taking down all the adds in one shot so much worst than just attacking 1 thing with big bursts.
Its TOTALLY different than the other smuggler trees, thats why i like it ! its much less linear than sharpshooter and not just focused on bursting parses on 1 target.

ps:
i dont want this here to become swg necesserally but just a simple comparison one more reason why i play sabo:
In the case that you played swg, saboteur is pretty much the closest there is here to the swg officer, much more than an swg smug, scoundrel is probably the closest to an swg typical smug. and officer in swg were alot of fun. Aoe heavy builds, the aoes here are soft, in swg an officer could take down a whole team with aoes and we never cried about it we ran out of the aoes when we saw them, like you dropped what you were doing to get out of it , no buts or ifs , its a darn airstrike!
But we didnt have all these stuns like here you could actually move most of the time and play your char. And in star wars the story! han solo becomes captain solo, sounds like an officer to me. And if han solo or lando arent the icons for smugs here , then somethings wrong. I mean han shot off the bat when he saw vader he was a harcore dude. No bounty ever managed to catch him without the whole empire up his beep even boba fett.

I play sw games not just mmos

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06.26.2014 , 09:30 AM | #79
Why do I even try...

Last thing I will say about this. You're talking about the size of my post and how you do not want to read that. Well fine, but at least I can read mine without having to decipher something every sentence..


pfff, so back the track I wanted to start.
Anyone else anxious for the answers? Think we will get an insight of what they have been working on for engineering?
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06.26.2014 , 10:15 AM | #80
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Anyone else anxious for the answers? Think we will get an insight of what they have been working on for engineering?
Honestly, I don't think they were working on anything for engineering. After our questions last year, the class balances went to other specs that were really outperforming or to classes that had serious problems in some areas and lacked specs for PvP / PvE. Engineering wasn't as big of a deal, since we have a good PvP and ok PvE specs. The only problems we still have as a whole class are stated in our questions: lack of AOE damage after nerf, slightly less long term damage than other classes, and survivability. They tried to increase survivability with Defense Screen buff, but it is not enough. Other classes were lacking a DPS PvE or PvP spec, or their tanking or healing spec was awful. A lot of other classes also have AOE damage problems, and the lack of PvE damage is due to the nerf and BioWare buffing so many of the other classes.

I hope they make Engineering changes in 2.9 now that the other classes are fixed and that we asked them about it twice.

Tl;DR: I think they haven't worked on Engineering yet. Engineering is just one broken spec, while other Advanced Classes were broken in one aspect of the game. They should start working on Engineering now.
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