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Why the hate on Revan


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Darth_Wicked
06.13.2014 , 08:46 AM | #31
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As I've said earlier...
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Dude does something that goes against your nifty theory = Poorly written character overall

Absolutely priceless statement right there.

Regardless, I'll say it again, in case you wear an eye-patch: Unless you have official confirmation from Bioware that he is indeed dead, your guess is as good as anyone else.

Just deal with it.
Everything else is just filler.

Your nifty theory, regardless of how well articulated or presented, is just that: A theory.

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TUXs
06.13.2014 , 08:55 AM | #32
Because he should be dead...like 400 years ago...bringing him back was a terribly lame thing to do.
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DarthTHC
06.13.2014 , 08:57 AM | #33
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Because he should be dead...like 400 years ago...bringing him back was a terribly lame thing to do.
"Closure." That's not my answer, that's the excuse.

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ikinai
06.13.2014 , 09:15 AM | #34
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I don't think Revan is/was the strongest force user - rather, he was the smartest. He won the Mandalorian Wars because of his peerless military brilliance. His teachings were incredibly wise. The way he valued things like the Infinite Engine spoke volumes about how far ahead he was thinking. But the toughest opponents he defeated in duels were Mandalore the Ultimate and Malak. The former wasn't a force user, and the latter was kind of a scrub.

I believe the strongest Force user of the Expanded Universe was Meetra Surik, aka the Exile. Why? Because "there is a... a greatness in you, but it does not stem from the Force. It stems from who you are."

First she defeats Darth Nihilus, who is the Force equivalent of a black hole. Then she beats the immortal and tireless Darth Sion so many times until she actually convinces him to give up and die. And then she kills an old lady, which is a bit anti-climactic. Even after being killed - which was most likely a stab in the back, 'cause there's no way she'd lose a clean 1v1 against
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- her spirit fights on for 300 years, until death itself gives way.

Now that's some Chuck Norris material right there.
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Kremsau
06.13.2014 , 11:06 AM | #35
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Lol funny....my Revan was a Light side black guy with a small afro.

Personally tho, I have no problem with Revan being in swtor. My biggest issue was his portrayal in that pos book. Cause there's no way in hell a "military tactical genius" would think
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Minimum.....Revan (as I see him) would have taken HK-47.
They went over his decision to not bring his old crew back. Each was justified.

If even Revan fell to the Emperor, why would any other character stand a chance? He went looking for Meetra, which made sense and tied KoTOR II into the novel, providing said closure.

I don't see why you imply he didn't have a means to get back to his wife and child, he had the Ebon Hawk. Although to that point, it seemed he knew this was a one way trip.

So far the only reasons I've seen in this thread, are that Revan didn't align with your personal versions of who the character was.

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Darth_Wicked
06.13.2014 , 11:10 AM | #36
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They went over his decision to not bring his old crew back. Each was justified.

If even Revan fell to the Emperor, why would any other character stand a chance? He went looking for Meetra, which made sense and tied KoTOR II into the novel, providing said closure.

I don't see why you imply he didn't have a means to get back to his wife and child, he had the Ebon Hawk. Although to that point, it seemed he knew this was a one way trip.

So far the only reasons I've seen in this thread, are that Revan didn't align with your personal versions of who the character was.
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Kremsau
06.13.2014 , 11:18 AM | #37
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I remember him going to the library, where he discovered Meetra had severed her own connection to the force. He'd been trying to sense her but had had no luck, that explained it as well as her being exiled by the Council and him being partially to blame...ya know that whole destroying a planet business

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Darth_Wicked
06.13.2014 , 11:23 AM | #38
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I remember him going to the library, where he discovered Meetra had severed her own connection to the force. He'd been trying to sense her but had had no luck, that explained it as well as her being exiled by the Council and him being partially to blame...ya know that whole destroying a planet business
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Kremsau
06.13.2014 , 11:32 AM | #39
So it seems he was a victim to unfortunate circumstances more-so than poor planning or lack of foresight.

I wouldn't expect any force-user to be able to foresee events, or really draw upon the force in any way and expect the usual outcome when it comes to Nathema.

So when it's said his character doesn't develop well, it seems he's a victim to very human flaws because of Nathema. Which spirals into the semi-broken man we find SWTOR.

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Darth_Wicked
06.13.2014 , 11:40 AM | #40
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So it seems he was a victim to unfortunate circumstances more-so than poor planning or lack of foresight.

I wouldn't expect any force-user to be able to foresee events, or really draw upon the force in any way and expect the usual outcome when it comes to Nathema.

So when it's said his character doesn't develop well, it seems he's a victim to very human flaws because of Nathema. Which spirals into the semi-broken man we find SWTOR.
That has been my understanding over the years as well.

The issue is that characters all around you, from Canderous to Kreia, make it feel and sound like Revan was this out-of-this-world kind of character, who swept aside Jedi, Sith, Mandalorian or whatever, without any insight whatsoever into what or who he really was, at a fundamentally human level.

Again, I'm greatly fond of the Call to Arms and the Jedi Prisoner story arc and the way Revan is portrayed in the game but then again, I try to take into account that which the character could have been, for me, on the human side, not so much the outlandish one.

That's why I'm also a fan of the novel, since it tries to show - IMHO - a partly broken human being, with no recollection of who or what he was, to whom great deeds are attributed to as if no personal cost was involved in the whole ordeal; A White Knight in his shining, unbreakable armor it would seem.

In the end, just my two cents I guess.