I5 with Sli or I7

Wrong. I don't believe you're even familiar enough with Anandtech to even try to justify it. Anandtech has been reviewing hardware for over 14 years. They are respected enough by the industry that they get test samples from both AMD and Intel. As for Intel bias, they actually get accused of the opposite, of inflating AMD benchmarks and selecting games and benchmarks that favor AMD. Nine years ago, it was Anandtech that convinced me to buy a Athlon64, explaining that Intel chips simply couldn't supply the same gaming performance of the 200MHz FSB Athlons.

You, on the other hand, have repeatedly failed to understand basic CPU performance metrics. You can't back up your statements with any facts. You haven't even linked to any benchmark that supports your statements. Anandtech has proven its lack of significant bias. You have not. If there is anyone that people should mistrust, it's you.

If you find that all sites are biased toward Intel, except for two... then perhaps its not bias at all.

There are no scores on that page. There are just simple specs. And again: Higher clock speed isn't "better performance". If you think that it is, then you are missing some fundamental understanding of how CPUs function.

The A10-7850k is a bargain.
The A10-7850k is a decent quality CPU.
The A10-7850k has impressive graphics.... for an integrated graphics solution.

However:

The A10-7850k has been shown to have worse game performance than the i3-3440... many times, by many different testing groups, ranging from random users to industry standard consumer testing sites.
The A10-7850k has inferior graphics to dedicated graphics cards.
The A10-7850k has noticeably lower single-core performance than Intel chips from 2011, even CPUs running at much lower clock speeds.
The A10-7850k has worse performance in SWTOR than other Intel CPUs that cost less.

It seems someone doesn't actually know the definition of "biased".
But to understand that definition we first need to know the definition of "prejudice".
Now since you say all these sites are "Intel biased" they have to have passed judgement without any reason or actual experience, but since that is what they get paid to do is to have experiences and make a reasonable assessment of they we presented with, be it a CPU, GPU, or what have you. So, since they made a judgement based on reason and actual experience it cannot classed as prejudice which therefore means they are NOT biased.

See, the amazing things about facts themselves is that they are unbiased, impartial and they don't require your belief in them. If you want to be perpetually ignorant and continue to think AMD makes better CPUs than Intel or that AMD makes better GPUs than Nvidia then please by all means; don't let us stop you. Continue to waste your time, money, and effort on objectively inferior hardware.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html (You might have to scroll a bit to find an AMD CPU)

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

I do know it, thanks.
Prejudice is different than Biased has to do with "intent" and "pre-made mis conceptions", Bias is intended by the site, while prejudice is a set a pre made miscoceptions about something, Im doubting youll get it tho.

I say its biased, because the data is there but the conclusions differ from site to site, in most information AMD vs Intel, AMD is outranking intel in gaming related benchmarks.
Calling me perpetually ignorant, kinda makes me sad because I know most of the time Im right because I trained my mind since kid to get the truth, so its more likely that you are perpetually ignorantus, because you have a hard time accepting facts.....

I just switched from a 3.5GHz Phenom II X4 970 @ 3.5GHz to a Core i5 4570 (4 cores, no HT) @ 3.2 GHz with a much lower thermal ceiling and my framerates are up. Say what you will, Intel's new chips are good, and when paired with a separate GPU they're great for gaming. I love AMD and use them for most builds, but the APUs are not enough for more than mainstream gaming, and the FX processors are fine if you want lots of cores without mortgaging your house. Unfortunately, games don't usually use more than 4 threads.

AMD makes a fine product, and I can't complain about the value proposition, but it is wrong to claim they're beating Intel in the absolute speed race. AMD makes chips that are affordable and good enough for 95% of the population - and good enough for the PS4. I like them. But they're not top-tier anymore, and there is no point pretending. Buy their products based on the strengths they have, not the ones you wish they had.

No, its not, and you've never produced any data to show that.

All you've shown are spec sheets, and even those don't show AMD having any advantage over Intel. You've shown that the 7850K has more "cores" and a higher clock speed than some Intel chips, but you've utterly failed to understand that:

1) Gaming performance is based largely on single-core performance. Even in games that support multi-core execution, the work load cannot be parallelized like encoding/decoding tasks. Thus, having a higher core count doesn't give you better gaming performance... and in general simply having more cores doesn't mean a more powerful chip.

2) Clock speed isn't a measure of CPU power. Just because a chip runs at a higher clock speed doesn't mean it will have higher performance. That was true back in 1995. It's not true now. Chips can perform much more work now in a single clock cycle than they did 10 or even 4 years ago. That is why clock speeds have increased only slightly over the last 5 years, but processor performance has continued to grow.

I find that hard to believe. A number of people have been supplying you with information in this thread. We've provided links to sources that know far more about CPU design and performance than you'll ever know. (And its more than I'll ever know... that's why I go to them for information). You refused to believe those sources. Despite the fact that they have far more education, far more experience, and far more credibility in the industry, you insist that they are wrong and you are right. You don't have any information to back up your beliefs, but you believe they are wrong simply because they're saying things that disagree with you.

So how about this: What qualifies you as more knowledgeable than Anandtech, Tom's, Guru3D, Overclockers, and the rest of the enthusiast builder community?

I, myself, have a bachelor's degree in computer science and twelve years experience writing software, including OS monitoring software and OS/network analysis software. I've written a number of multi-threaded applications, a few distributed applications, and one distributed-controller application. I've been building PCs since 1997. At work, I deal with everything from Athlon64s and Opterons, to Core2 and Ivy-Bridge Xeons. (We're ditching our Opterons and Athlons, though... their cost/performace ratio is too high... though I bet that's just our accountants being part of the Intel conspiracy....)

I have built and used computers with both Intel and AMD chips. I was actually a very strong advocate of the Athlon and Athlon64 chips. I'm not a fan of Intel. I refuse to buy their stock on ethical grounds. But I don't let my ethics and general opinion of the company cloud my judgement of the factual performance of the CPUs they make. That's what being unbiased is about. I dislike the company, but when people ask for the best gaming CPUs, I tell them that Intel has the best high end performance and (at least for now) the best budget performance.

I did provide the data, you saying otherwise doesnt make it true.

Why decieve people? I never claimed AMD had more cores than intel, which in fact Intel does have more cores, I claimed AMD 7850k is better in gaming than most intel chips, except i7 which is "top of all chips" .

You have no idea what you are saying, AMD core structure and process are two different things AMD cores run on parallell while intel cores work tast per task on linear and very outdated way.

I told you this...

Anyway, clock speeds dont matter what matters now if how efficient is a chip while working on intensive graphic programs, AMD has this completely even if 7850k is quad-core compared to an Intel icore 5 (5 cores) AMD is faster and more efficient.

Sorry but not buying your a computer scientist, I rather think you are guy with over-inflated ego and like to make facts of things he likes, instead of accepting facts....

Good research you did there, I think the days you folks saying Intel "Is the top chip" are over, AMD days are here to stay like always you folks like to contradict facts, now go get info and try to back it up...

Do these not exsist? OR are they all anandtech?

I already PROVED WITH FACTS that an i3 haswell is better than 98% of AMD chips FOR GAMING.

All you have done is repeatedly state your provably incorrect ideas about AMD and Intel chips regardless of any information put before you.

The AMD 4 core 7850k loses in nearly EVERY benchmark to the 2 core i3 4330.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...ri_7850k&num=3

this is the slower i3 4130
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i...-AMD-A10-7850K

here are some i3s beating the FX-8350 lol
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...0_4.html#sect0


Its over dude. AMD is in FACT not as good as intel. Only speaking of CPUs.

You obviously know more than us.






(i5 has 4 cores and it crushes all AMD CPUs, also the intel chips are more efficient with heat, electricity and core speed, regardless of clock)

Im done at this point. No person could read this thread and then buy an AMD cpu. And if they do, they deserve it.

Hello all,
I have a weird issue when running swtor on my PC. It appears only 1 of the 2 chips (I own an ATI HD 6990) of my GPU is being used when running the game which results in quite a fast overheating of the chip since there's only 1 fan on the GPU which makes half the work of the fan useless.
I also tried configuring the game with raptor for optimization with my system but this didn't solve anything. This far swtor is the only software for which I noticed this effect (I've been playing COD or AC4 for hours without any issues).

System info :
CPU : i7 980X
GPU : ATI HD6990
RAM : 12 Gb
MB : Asus X58 Sabertooth (several issues with quickly overheating northbridge)