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Remove bolster from ranked and require expertize before Que!

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Remove bolster from ranked and require expertize before Que!

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NuSeC
06.05.2014 , 06:33 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
I would prefer an augment check over an EXP check. You can be at max EXP the moment you hit 55, but should you be allowed to Que then?
If you have full EXP as soon as you pop 55 you should most d3ff be able to q for ranked.

Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
If this was implemented, it wouldn't change anything...

Wait... Whaaaaa?

It would change a BUNCH of things.

Everyone would be in full PVP gear.. a requirement for joining.

It would make PVP gear relevant, something even your signature points out as an issue...
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NuSeC
06.05.2014 , 06:37 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
Bolster+Augmented PvE gear>nonaugmented PvP gear.

By hook(bolster) or by crook(gear), EXP levels in ranked are high enough. Full EXP isn't BiS for the bulk of classes anyway.

Yeah... Why do you keep talking about PVE/augmented gear when bolster would be off and expertize required?

Put those 2 changes together and form your argument against that.
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Loomi
06.05.2014 , 07:09 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
Bolster+Augmented PvE gear>nonaugmented PvP gear.

By hook(bolster) or by crook(gear), EXP levels in ranked are high enough. Full EXP isn't BiS for the bulk of classes anyway.
Where on earth do you get your MISinformation? Read patch notes, sometime.
PVE gear is NOT BiS for ANY class. The damage reduction and player damage hit from the loss of EXP far outweighs any possible stat gains you could get from PVE gear....

EXP levels are high enough? High enough for what? The cap is 2018 regardless of using Obroan or Brutalizer. You cannot get any higher, period.

This topic is about REMOVING Bolster from Ranked..... If PVE gear were not already as NON-BIS as they are, not having Bolster would only widen that gap.... Which is exactly what REAL Ranked players want.

You sir, are just plain wrong. Do some actual research before trying to pass off your opinions as fact

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Loomi
06.05.2014 , 07:16 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by NuSeC View Post
It would make PVP gear relevant, something even your signature points out as an issue...
Signature link to a topic from Dec 2013.... ELEVEN patches ago..... No wonder he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about, he is so far behind the times it's not even funny

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Zoom_VI
06.05.2014 , 07:24 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Loomi View Post
So what? The problem is people having less than max EXP, not max. Without Bolster, so what if they are fresh 55's? They obviously know more about how the gear system works than your average new 55 would. I would venture to guess they probably know more about PVP than them as well.

You want to talk about not changing anything? Let's talk about how Aug checks wouldn't change anything: Aug all your gear, regardless of PVP viability, enter Ranked Queue. Terrible idea.....
I call BS, even the most clueless players generally figure out that getting more expertise is a good thing, and that they should be buying PvP gear. Like seriously if I had a credit for every single 2018 EXP 28.5k hp guy with alacrity and crit gear I would never have to worry about credits again.
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Zoom_VI
06.05.2014 , 07:36 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
have you ever responded to the handful of quotes replying to you that when max expertise (2018) is required, it would be impossible to enter a match with a pve barrel, because BW capped expertise at 1936(?) while a pve barrel/hilt is present?

not to be a jerk here, but your point is moot if the op's suggestion is implemented. It wouldn't matter what NiM barrel someone has. He couldn't be allowed into the rated match because the second he equipped it, he would no longer meet the minimum expertise requirement. Thus, there would be no need for bolster in rated if the minimum expertise of 2018 were established.
Except with a expertise requirement its still going to be screwed up since you won't be getting the mainhand/tech damage bonus, but HP values will be the same which means TTK goes up, also classes dealing primarily in white damage will be less effective which means class balance will behave differently going from regs to ranked, which means everything gets screwed up anyway.

Also if you have a 2018 expertise check why the hell do you need to remove bolster, everyone will be in PvP gear anyway so there won't be a need to screw with things that don't need screwing with.
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Loomi
06.05.2014 , 08:07 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
I call BS, even the most clueless players generally figure out that getting more expertise is a good thing, and that they should be buying PvP gear. Like seriously if I had a credit for every single 2018 EXP 28.5k hp guy with alacrity and crit gear I would never have to worry about credits again.
Stop skimming topics and stop to read them once in a while. It was noted FRESH 55's would know more about gearing and pvp if they were capped the same day they hit 55, meaning they obviously know what they are doing..... You should have replaced "most clueless players generally" with "most clueless players EVENTUALLY figure it out". I call BS on your calling BS.

Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
Except with a expertise requirement its still going to be screwed up since you won't be getting the mainhand/tech damage bonus, but HP values will be the same which means TTK goes up, also classes dealing primarily in white damage will be less effective which means class balance will behave differently going from regs to ranked, which means everything gets screwed up anyway.
Another person that neglects to read patch notes, go figure. That is no longer viable as Bolstered PVE hilts cap at 1936.... which yet again, would be even less viable with Bolster removed.... Ranked isn't here to hold your hand and practice what you should be doing in regs.... I call BS on that as well

Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
Also if you have a 2018 expertise check why the hell do you need to remove bolster, everyone will be in PvP gear anyway so there won't be a need to screw with things that don't need screwing with.
It isn't for the people with 2018 Expertise.... it is to keep players without it out of the queues.... More BS....
Yea, I'm a hardcore raider AND hardcore PvPer... Big whoop, want to fight about it?
I have more self-respect than to post my referral link here or beg in-game for clicks.

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Zoom_VI
06.05.2014 , 09:55 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Loomi View Post
It isn't for the people with 2018 Expertise.... it is to keep players without it out of the queues.... More BS....
Ok since you are having difficulty with a simple concept.

Bolster does two things, it boosts non-PvP gear, and increases all mainhand, tech/force, and armor ratings.

Now the intention of the OP is too implement a system that locks out players not in the correct gear.

Implementing a 2018 expertise requirement will do exactly that by itself. Removing bolster will not help that goal in a environment where you are only allowed to have PvP gear. The only thing it would accomplish in that scenario is reduce damage output across the board compared to regs, which does nothing at all to further the OP's goal.
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Loomi
06.05.2014 , 11:43 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
Ok since you are having difficulty with a simple concept.

Bolster does two things, it boosts non-PvP gear, and increases all mainhand, tech/force, and armor ratings.

Now the intention of the OP is too implement a system that locks out players not in the correct gear.

Implementing a 2018 expertise requirement will do exactly that by itself. Removing bolster will not help that goal in a environment where you are only allowed to have PvP gear. The only thing it would accomplish in that scenario is reduce damage output across the board compared to regs, which does nothing at all to further the OP's goal.
Since you are having difficulty with a simple concept, let me explain it to you. Bolster STILL buffs player stats regardless of expertise level. 2018 Expertise in itself is not enough to discourage players from queueing in PVP gear, and then swapping to PVE gear when they get in, like I am sure you would do, Removing Bolster altogether further discourages using PVE gear, since having it will still buff the player to almost the same standing as a full PVP geared player.... On the order of 30% damage increase, and 15% damage reduction with PVE gear.... I categorically reject your ill-conceived notions

Love how you find the one sentence you have a snappy comeback for and run it into the ground... Good on you, dear boy. Good on you. You got any more terrible ideas I can shoot down faster than you can make them up?
Yea, I'm a hardcore raider AND hardcore PvPer... Big whoop, want to fight about it?
I have more self-respect than to post my referral link here or beg in-game for clicks.

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Zoom_VI
06.06.2014 , 08:08 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Loomi View Post
2018 Expertise in itself is not enough to discourage players from queueing in PVP gear, and then swapping to PVE gear when they get in, like I am sure you would do,
what the? I don't even...
Why the hell would anybody grind out full PvP gear, and just take it all off once they get in? If you are worried about some trolls then lock the gear.


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Love how you find the one sentence you have a snappy comeback for and run it into the ground... Good on you, dear boy. Good on you. You got any more terrible ideas I can shoot down faster than you can make them up?
That's more to do with the fact that the majority of your posts are either you repeating yourself with different wording or you making ad homenim attacks.
Crinn

Sanity is for the weak minded.