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Is the F2P/Preffered system too prohibitive, and if so, what should change?

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Is the F2P/Preffered system too prohibitive, and if so, what should change?

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SgtJeremy
06.03.2014 , 07:31 AM | #331
It should be more restrictive. Give freebies 25-30 levels. Preferred 30-35 levels. Don't care about the fluff crap like Hide helmet and stuff. I was preferred decided to sub cause I need the unlimited Warzones, but if it wasn't for my enjoyment of PvP I wouldn't bother subbing at all. With $30-40 you don't really need to sub ever if you don't care about Warzones. Bam get my hide head slot, match colours I'm good to PvE. Most flashpoint gear isn't all that great. Freebies get full comms, maybe cut those too. Free to Play should just be an appetizer to the good stuff.
"Victory at all costs, Victory inspite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, their is no peace."
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DarthTHC
06.03.2014 , 07:59 AM | #332
Quote: Originally Posted by scarlet_magpie View Post
This won't work. I do not want to be responsible for financial transactions for somebody else's children. Neither do I think it is healthy for a child of 11 to have an online account which involves real money payments.

F2P is ideal for the kids to play until such time as they are old enough to decide if they wish to commit to paying for something. At that point (15 years or so) , your point may work.

I like to help them out in-game (the same way I like to help them to learn to play football). I simply said i wish the incoming trade option was available (ie: F2P'ers can only RECIEVE goods and credits.).

Apart from that, it works. It's FREE and a great game.
You just talked yourself into a circle.

You don't want to be responsible for financial transactions for someone else's kids... but you're ok with dictating what those kids should and should not be able to do WRT online accounts.

How about the kids who aren't yours wash your car, you give them each $5 or $10 and they take the money to mom or dad and ask them to make their accounts preferred with it?

If mom & dad won't let them, oh well, maybe they can buy an ice cream next time the truck rolls around or, better yet, stuff it into a piggy bank. But, hey, they learned how to earn money.

BOOM problem solved again.

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GreySix
06.03.2014 , 08:44 AM | #333
Quote: Originally Posted by Rankyn View Post
What I read when I see threads like this: "I'm a subscriber at the moment but I want to stop paying for the game and don't want to give up the subscriber perks that I like."
Yeah, that fits me.

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Dropadeuce
06.03.2014 , 10:21 AM | #334
Quote: Originally Posted by Rankyn View Post
What I read when I see threads like this: "I'm a subscriber at the moment but I want to stop paying for the game and don't want to give up the subscriber perks that I like."
That's what i got out of it..

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Guancyto
06.03.2014 , 03:25 PM | #335
I was in beta, bought the game new, and subscribed for six months (plus the free one that came with the game) at the start. Then a couple more months at the advent of F2P to see how things had turned out. Just now I've bought another month's subscription because I was curious about Rise of the Hutt Cartel and subscribing for a month was cheaper.

I'm going to say something crazy and say, as a person who has endured F2P restrictions for more than a year now, F2P restrictions are way more annoying and petty than they are actually restrictive. As a freeper, you cannot go five minutes without being reminded that you are not a subscriber. But as a freeper, you don't give a damn. After a while, you just start to point and laugh at the desperation of it. "Oh god, please subscribe, we'll... we'll lower your vendor prices! We'll give you credit boxes! We'll stop bothering you about having too many credits! We'll do the dishes! We'll take you out to that fancy place you like! We can change, baby, don't be like this!"

The vendor prices were always too low (for those things one actually bought from vendors anyway). The XP was always too high, and rest XP just made it worse. I remember, I leveled my first few characters under Sub XP rates. We were overleveled for everything, even without bonuses or flashpoints. We got off Korriban at level 13 for goodness' sake!

Credit cap? Credits are pretty close to worthless when playing, useful only at endgame and in buying unlocks. Purple items? Blues are perfectly sufficient for 95% of the play experience.

The really stupid restrictions don't exist to get freepers to subscribe. They exist so that a subscriber who has let their sub lapse is suddenly thrust into a world where dignity does not exist and bad things happen for no reason. They exist so that a lapsed sub suddenly has to think about all the little things that they're missing which don't particularly matter but are made to felt as though they are the most important things. They exist to make transitioning between the two feel like driving on bricks instead of asphalt (but both are totally roads). They exist for threads like this, where the subscribers can get together and talk about all the things in which they are better than the common rabble, none of which really make a difference in 90% of the game (and in the remaining 10%, they can totally pay credits for everything if they're smart about it). They exist to be complained about.

They exist so current subscribers will continue to spend hundreds of dollars on a game they have already beaten.

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DarthTHC
06.03.2014 , 05:45 PM | #336
Quote: Originally Posted by Guancyto View Post
I was in beta, bought the game new, and subscribed for six months (plus the free one that came with the game) at the start. Then a couple more months at the advent of F2P to see how things had turned out. Just now I've bought another month's subscription because I was curious about Rise of the Hutt Cartel and subscribing for a month was cheaper.

I'm going to say something crazy and say, as a person who has endured F2P restrictions for more than a year now, F2P restrictions are way more annoying and petty than they are actually restrictive. As a freeper, you cannot go five minutes without being reminded that you are not a subscriber. But as a freeper, you don't give a damn. After a while, you just start to point and laugh at the desperation of it. "Oh god, please subscribe, we'll... we'll lower your vendor prices! We'll give you credit boxes! We'll stop bothering you about having too many credits! We'll do the dishes! We'll take you out to that fancy place you like! We can change, baby, don't be like this!"

The vendor prices were always too low (for those things one actually bought from vendors anyway). The XP was always too high, and rest XP just made it worse. I remember, I leveled my first few characters under Sub XP rates. We were overleveled for everything, even without bonuses or flashpoints. We got off Korriban at level 13 for goodness' sake!

Credit cap? Credits are pretty close to worthless when playing, useful only at endgame and in buying unlocks. Purple items? Blues are perfectly sufficient for 95% of the play experience.

The really stupid restrictions don't exist to get freepers to subscribe. They exist so that a subscriber who has let their sub lapse is suddenly thrust into a world where dignity does not exist and bad things happen for no reason. They exist so that a lapsed sub suddenly has to think about all the little things that they're missing which don't particularly matter but are made to felt as though they are the most important things. They exist to make transitioning between the two feel like driving on bricks instead of asphalt (but both are totally roads). They exist for threads like this, where the subscribers can get together and talk about all the things in which they are better than the common rabble, none of which really make a difference in 90% of the game (and in the remaining 10%, they can totally pay credits for everything if they're smart about it). They exist to be complained about.

They exist so current subscribers will continue to spend hundreds of dollars on a game they have already beaten.
Your words say that you're perfectly happy as a Premium. Your tone says your complaining. Which is it?

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Guancyto
06.03.2014 , 06:03 PM | #337
My... tone says I'm complaining.

In text.

What.

Look, it's simple. The restrictions are stupid, sure. They're also really not a big deal, and more importantly, they're not in place for the benefit (or detriment) of Preferred players. It's not about me. It's about you, and about making you not want to give an honest try at being Preferred because you've heard such awful things about it.

The point I'm trying to make is the restrictions are more "style" than "substance." They're intended to feel much heavier than they are. They're annoying, but they're not actually restrictive. I'm quite happy as Preferred. Spend some time that way and you'll see that the supposed 'perks' you get for subscription amount to basically, "the idiot boyfriend who doesn't accept you broke up will stop texting you all the time" and "you can be more lax about managing your (ingame) money."

Fifteen a month for that? Pfft.

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LordArtemis
06.04.2014 , 01:14 AM | #338
Quote: Originally Posted by Volthorne View Post
Still false, the Appearance Kiosk is not a "perk". It provides neither advantage nor benefit.
I think people that value appearance might disagree. Now your just being silly for the sake of argument IMO.
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1) Everything a Sub gets, Freeps and Preferred can get as well via payment of either hard-currency or soft-currency, be it temporary or permanent, with the exception of pre-order and CE-exclusive bonuses. Stating otherwise is both ridiculous and irresponsible.
Actually your statement turns out to be pretty silly. But that seems to be a pattern for some reason. I think it's pretty clear, once again, what I meant. Now I am sure you knew what I meant, and just decided that you wished to argue.

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2) You have not given me a single example yet. Everything that could be considered a "perk" (that is, it conveys an advantage or benefit) is either inherently unlocked to Subs, in which case they need not pay, or is available via credits, in which case they need not pay - though they still could in the style of "Pay2GoFaster". They are required to pay $0 past their subscription fee.
The great thing about being me is that I do not need to give you anything, and you most certainly do not define what is and what is not a perk. You define it for yourself, you have indicated you do not agree, and you are entitled to that view.

Thats not to say your definition of a perk is wrong....only that you do not define it for me. I am more than capable of doing that myself.

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3) To further clarify, the only reason Subs would buy perks from the CM is to in turn sell them on the GTN to Freeps and Preferred for a sum of soft-currency.
I'm pretty sure it is likely there are subs that purchase perks from the CM to use personally. Again, that much should be obvious. In fact, I can think of one sub that has purchased perks from the CM for personal use.

That sub would be me.

Id like to make it pretty clear that, though you certainly have a right to express your opinion, I think it's pretty obvious that folks in this thread do not appreciate your input.

Perhaps you should either change your combative nature or choose to move on to another topic...or start your own.

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LordArtemis
06.04.2014 , 01:18 AM | #339
Quote: Originally Posted by Fidelicatessen View Post
Do those folks find it more or less sleazy than playing a game for free and yet complaining about the limitations?
I'll bet money you already know the answer to that "question".

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LordArtemis
06.04.2014 , 01:23 AM | #340
I have pointed out the specific parts of the F2P setup here that folks seem to complain about the most web wide. It was not meant to indicate that that is the only thing that is wrong with the F2P system, or even that anything needs to be changed....the idea was to discuss what folks felt...is the F2P/Preferred system too prohibitive (or not enough), and if so what should change?

Most folks seem to have been content with sharing how they feel about the current system, what they find right or wrong with it, whether or not it should be more or less restrictive, and I appreciate all the opinions in this respect.

To the folks that decided to use the thread to forum PVP, insult free players and the like, I say.....

Shenanigans.