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Why is Bioware so silent about strongholds

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Darth_Wicked
06.02.2014 , 02:11 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
They will release as much information as they feel is necessary and on the time line they feel is correct. Nothing I or anyone else say will change that.

I suppose we could yell and scream on here until someone pops in and says "we hear you, but we have no new information". Which is about as effective as throwing water on an oil fire. You can say well thats better than nothing, at which point someone will invariably disagree and ask a question now that someone has posted, and then complain when there are no follow up posts.

go look at the posts where people have popped in and either answered questions or given feedback. Beyond the "thanks for the info" there is a significant portion of "well what about X and Y or Z" and then complaining when they don't get an answer.

Give a person an inch they want a mile, give them a foot but too slow and they bash you for it. Give them too much to early and it changes get bashed for it.
You said plenty without actually addressing what I said earlier. Bravo.

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DOHboy
06.02.2014 , 02:17 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post
You said plenty without actually addressing what I said earlier. Bravo.
what part should I address the "subservient to BW" or the "pitiful excuse"? Neither are really a valid discussion nor make any sort of point beyond invoking an emotional response.

What I said was to the point that They can give out plenty of information, it will not please everyone, people will invariable demand more once given something, and even what they do give information, some people will not always like it. I am not seeing where those are wrong statements?

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Khevar
06.02.2014 , 02:19 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
I have never once put someone down for being reasonable.
Totally understood.

I myself aren't bothered by the unreasonable requests. As mentioned, I'd rather see people demanding for information they won't get, than not asking for anything because they don't care.

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DOHboy
06.02.2014 , 02:23 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
Totally understood.

I myself aren't bothered by the unreasonable requests. As mentioned, I'd rather see people demanding for information they won't get, than not asking for anything because they don't care.
To me, its like picketing outside a company. do it once and if it works they keep doing it for every little thing. If it doesn't work they start picketing that company doesn't listen and is some corrupt corporation.

There are some people who will go to any lengths to find out information on the new starwars..even to the point that they could be handed the script, then complain about ruining the movie when finally released.

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Darth_Wicked
06.02.2014 , 02:24 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
what part should I address the "subservient to BW" or the "pitiful excuse"? Neither are really a valid discussion nor make any sort of point beyond invoking an emotional response.
This on the other hand...

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that would be like saying black holes are just wanting more light because they enjoy it.
Some (not ALL) of those asking (demanding?) new content and information are nothing more than locusts (gamer version of gluttony). Chew up every piece of content and information as fast as possible then demand more. When they don't get it on their time line they flame about not being listened to, game is dying, and nothing but a failure.
Has been proven to be accurate and / or factual no doubt, not intended to silence or demean those who choose NOT to be subservient I guess.

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What I said was to the point that They can give out plenty of information, it will not please everyone, people will invariable demand more once given something, and even what they do give information, some people will not always like it. I am not seeing where those are wrong statements?
I've already stated what's wrong with your statement. Also, it's FAIRLY OBVIOUS from the beginning you can't please everyone but yet again, what you said above is rather pitiful to say the least.

As I've mentioned several times in the past, 2.9 is already around the corner and no details have surfaced concerning 3.0... And we kinda knew about Makeb almost a full year(!!!) before release.

WoW on the other hand has an expansion already named, dated and priced... Bioware can't even get a single one of those right it would seem.

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Andryah
06.02.2014 , 02:31 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
I still think it's better to see "gimmeh moar info" threads, than no threads at all.
Like all thread topics... there is a productive way and an inflammatory way to go about asking for info though. Too many thread are more about the whine/complain fest then actually getting info. And even threads that start out with a productive request.... sometimes get torpedoed by people who are perpetually negative about the game (yet continue to pay for access).

Plenty of threads ARE productive in the forum and they are easy to spot. All they have to do is follow the same protocols and behavior that one would do if face to face. The internet however, seems to empower a lot of behaviors that would get someone tossed out of the room in real life.

In the case of this thread...let's look at the original post:
Quote: Originally Posted by sepulhead View Post
Another delay?
Strongholds being underwhelming?
Bioware firing most of pr team?
NOT a productive way to launch a discussion IMO.

The difference in the forum these days -----> veteran forum members are for the most part tired of the nonsense, and will call a forum member on it..... yet are also very willing to participate in constructive discussion topics when they arise. The days of playing at railroading Bioware with subjective and personal judgments and expecting a free pile-on of support are pretty well over in the forums because they get a broad pushback...sometimes even from harsh critics.
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DOHboy
06.02.2014 , 02:36 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Like all thread topics... there is a productive way and an inflammatory way to go about asking for info though. Too many thread are more about the whine/complain fest then actually getting info. And even threads that start out with a productive request.... it quickly gets torpedoed by people who are perpetually negative about the game (yet continue to pay for access).

Plenty of threads ARE productive in the forum and they are easy to spot. All they have to do if follow the same protocols and behavior that one would do if face to face. The internet however, seems to empower a lot of behaviors that would get someone tossed out of the room in real life.

In the case of this thread...let's look at the original post:


NOT a productive way to launch a discussion IMO.

The difference in the forum these days -----> veteran forum members are for the most part tired of the nonsense, and will call a forum member on it..... yet are also very willing to participate in constructive discussion topics when they arise.
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between the necros rehashing the same arguments since launch (dual spec, AC respec, legacy _____, P2W, game is dead, BW sux, bad engine, pack = gambling) or freshies dropping in and thinking its either new/novel or complaining that it hasn't been implemented/fixed yet. It would be nice to actually hear some fresh requests now and then to actually have some nice discussions now and then. This one is fairly civil for the most part. Other thread of the day getting a bit more hostile since some of the old doom and gloom peeps are around, but for the most part thats been washed over.

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Edzew
06.02.2014 , 02:39 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
Players take every bit of info as 'set in stone' and freak out when things change while in development.

So they've learned to be conservative with releasing info.
well that's just bioware's fault! people tried to tell them about bugs and how to better the game during beta but did they change or fix anything?? nope it was set in stone. sooooo we know that if we see something we don't like and tell them about it it wont change a thing.

me i think its because they are afraid those of us waiting on it to come out will be disappointed by what they tell us and unsub and quit before it even comes out.
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DOHboy
06.02.2014 , 02:52 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Edzew View Post
well that's just bioware's fault! people tried to tell them about bugs and how to better the game during beta but did they change or fix anything?? nope it was set in stone. sooooo we know that if we see something we don't like and tell them about it it wont change a thing.

me i think its because they are afraid those of us waiting on it to come out will be disappointed by what they tell us and unsub and quit before it even comes out.
See thats the problem...playing monday morning quarterback/armchair developer.

People seem to think they ALWAYS know more than the person actually doing the work. You don't think they already knew about the bugs? You think they just choose to not fix them because they felt like "spitting in your face"? You say "make it better" well lets just wave this magic dev wand and poof instant feature or no more bug.

By the time its in beta it basically IS set in stone for the most part, at least for major features. Things can be tweaked but not without cost. But not a lot of people understand that when something actually enters beta, they are more hoping NOT to find something. If they do, it goes into a long list of things that need to get fixed on top of the new development already being done while main part is in beta.

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TUXs
06.02.2014 , 02:54 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Edzew View Post
me i think its because they are afraid those of us waiting on it to come out will be disappointed by what they tell us and unsub and quit before it even comes out.
The cynic in me agrees completely with this. However...I also know that GSF blew me away from what I expected...hell, the end of 2013 was amazing as far as I'm concerned...so I'm torn on this.
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