Bad Business Model or Ok?

You have no idea what you are talking about. I highly suggest you stop posting as your opinions are simply baseless statements that you can't possibly back up. Yet for the umpteenth time will you STOP addressing your post with WE there is no WE in this. Stop speaking for me or for any one else for that matter as you most certainly do not represent anyone but yourself/

You also do not know what hardcore is and your definition is not universally accepted as some people like hardcore pvp or hardcore pve. Also please stop with the whole 2 million subs leaving thing. That does NOT matter right now, you want to know why? Because the devs have attempted to learn from their mistakes and the game is doing much better.

Oh and you also have no idea what p2w is because if you did you would realize that p2w means buying a means to have an advantage over others. What the this game is a fluff shop nothing more. One final thing, SWG is dead let it go and stop trying to change this game into what YOU want as it will never be that.

and it is p2w every game that has a cash shop in it is p2w. all of those items should be gotten in game via playing the game. not something you spend irl money for.

What kind of defensive answer is that? At no point have I manifested any interest in WS. I'm just telling it how I see it and if you had visited some of the server offsite forums, where people actually are allowed to discuss moves to WS, you would have known what I was talking about. The TRE offsite currently has a new 17 page thread filled with players who are reporting from the mess that is the WS launch. Those players could have played swtor instead but chose not to.

But hey, I guess it's better to pretend that it never happened and go down the lane of late servers transfers and 1,5M lost subs again. If you want this game to succeed ift should be in your interest that the devs try to keep as many subs as they possibly can and that's not going to happen when they sit idle by for every major launch.

Also, F2P is really screwing with the numbers. Let's pretend that we have the same server populations now as we did one year ago - which isnt true but let's pretend -, do you honestly think that the sub to F2P ratio is the same? We will reach a point where even knights as yourself will realize that there's no one to run raids with because everyone online is F2P.

yes there is a we.

go to mmorpg.com go to massively go to any mmo site and see for yourself we the mmo community wanted a truely immersive star wars mmo like swg was back in the pre-cu. what we got was this. better? no i don't see this game doing better i see servers bleeding players, i see people going nuts for something truely new like WildStar. I see pvper's leaving for WildStar as WS offers some of the best pvp ever. I see raiders leaving for WS as the raids are hard and it takes skill and time to get into them. role players are leaving tor as WS offers them so much more.

and it is p2w every game that has a cash shop in it is p2w. all of those items should be gotten in game via playing the game. not something you spend irl money for.

no.

swg was so strong

and it is p2w every game that has a cash shop in it is p2w. all of those items should be gotten in game via playing the game. not something you spend irl money for.

yes there is a we.

go to mmorpg.com go to massively go to any mmo site and see for yourself we the mmo community wanted a truely immersive star wars mmo like swg was back in the pre-cu. what we got was this. better? no i don't see this game doing better i see servers bleeding players, i see people going nuts for something truely new like WildStar. I see pvper's leaving for WildStar as WS offers some of the best pvp ever. I see raiders leaving for WS as the raids are hard and it takes skill and time to get into them. role players are leaving tor as WS offers them so much more.

and it is p2w every game that has a cash shop in it is p2w. all of those items should be gotten in game via playing the game. not something you spend irl money for.

...that it was a sinking ship from day 1, made worse by radical system redesigns. It had a VERY limited appeal. Too limited to sustain an MMO. And not because of the SW part. The gameplay failed for most gamers.

This is a bit off topic, but perhaps you should take a look at a SWG love thread in the Community section. It is filled with SWG fans praising their dear lost game while bashing SWTOR. I already made a response there but perhaps more people should as well.

Oh, I'm not saying it didn't have its dedicated die-hard fans. Every game has those. Even Horizons had them. I'm just saying that it was too small of a niche to sustain the MMO financially.