Bad Business Model or Ok?

no.

swg was so strong as it made you interact with the community. if you want to be a combat class you need to work with other non-combat classes. better yet it showed how the real world works, it's not the guy running around in heavy armor and big sword that keeps everything going. it's the non-combat people that make everything work.

swg was so strong as it made you .......

bad business model hands down.

first off we told bioware what we wanted before the game came out and no i'm not talking about the folks who whined how they wanted kotor 3. I'm talking the hardcore mmo player, we wanted open world pvp, we wanted a profession system like swg had, we wanted crafting not looted to be how you got gear. what we got was a wow clone with some boring 'stories' bad pvp no open world pvp and cookie cutter classes. 2 million subs leaving in the first two months made bioware go p2w and put in one of the most anti-consumer p2w systems in mmo history.

and dont give me this f2p nonsense. any game that has a cash shop is p2w in my books.

You need to learn what P2W really means then. In Rappelz, you enchant your equipment, last I knew the cap was +20. if you fail an enchantment, it breaks the gear until you fix it. The item to fix it, e-repair, can only be purchased from the CS, and by extension, from people that purchased it from the CS. You can also buy a nifty little item called e-protect, which prevents the gear from being broken in the event of a failed enchantment. This item is also available from the CS, and by extension, from players that purchased it from the CS. So, if you spend enough money at the CS, you can indeed P2W. There are people there that have literally spent thousands of dollars to get their gear capped, and when new tiers of gear are introduced, they do it again. That's what P2W is, care to link me some stuff from the CM that equates to that? I've looked around in there a lot, and I'm not seeing anything.

Open world PvP, oh yeah, we really need that. /sarcasm Here's a sad reality about open world PvP, it can suck subs off a game faster than not having it. I was amazed to find that I inherited lead of a legion in Aion when they all left for RoM due to open world PvP, in a PvPvE advertised game. 40 people jumped ship, from that legion alone, and they weren't the only ones that did so. It was so bad that they introduced "homeland buffs" to alleviate it, which sucked for people like me, that actually enjoyed it. But, if I were like you, I'd cite the million or so subs that bled off due to that as the primary reason to state that open world PvP is a bad business model, eh?

So you discount the "whiners" that wanted KoToR 3, but not the whiners that wanted SWG 2? I mean, seriously, the reality is if one group not getting the SW sequel game they wanted is a whiner, then all groups are. It's a nice double standard you're hanging onto though, if totally transparent.

i think watch dogs has had more of an impact on TOR than WS has today. i spent a lot of my time playing that game instead of TOR since it went live. plus, i personally don't know anyone who is playing WS this weekend, but i know lots who are playing watch dogs.

as far as WS being a different animal, i don't agree. its just another themepark MMO and it doesn't do anything better than all the other big name MMOs out right now( except for ESO because of all the hacks/bots and stuff ).

The only thing even remotely P2W are the Grade 9 Ship Parts and Cartel Crystals. But the old space missions seem very outdated and Cartel Crystals are the future of Crystals in general and one that seems to be quite popular.

But this is moot as these things can all be sold on the GTN for Credits.

bad business model hands down.

first off we told bioware what we wanted before the game came out and no i'm not talking about the folks who whined how they wanted kotor 3. I'm talking the hardcore mmo player, we wanted open world pvp, we wanted a profession system like swg had, we wanted crafting not looted to be how you got gear. what we got was a wow clone with some boring 'stories' bad pvp no open world pvp and cookie cutter classes. 2 million subs leaving in the first two months made bioware go p2w and put in one of the most anti-consumer p2w systems in mmo history.

and dont give me this f2p nonsense. any game that has a cash shop is p2w in my books.

bad business model hands down.

first off we told bioware what we wanted before the game came out and no i'm not talking about the folks who whined how they wanted kotor 3. I'm talking the hardcore mmo player, we wanted open world pvp, we wanted a profession system like swg had, we wanted crafting not looted to be how you got gear. what we got was a wow clone with some boring 'stories' bad pvp no open world pvp and cookie cutter classes. 2 million subs leaving in the first two months made bioware go p2w and put in one of the most anti-consumer p2w systems in mmo history.

and dont give me this f2p nonsense. any game that has a cash shop is p2w in my books.

It might not have a huge impact on swtor as a whole but a good deal of the decent PvP'ers are jumping ship. Those are the ones I care about because without them it will be even more of a pain to PvP in this game, resulting in that even more decent/good PvP'ers will quit.
It used to be that PvP'ers switched faction in an attempt to get better games but when both factions are drained on decent team mates there's no other option than to find something els, WS is seemingly it at the moment.

lol. they will be crying and boohooing about how fail carbine is within a few months, just like that group of "realists" do with every game they infect. but hey, you go ahead and follow them over to WS, maybe they'll give you a cookie or something.