My Thoughts On Many F2P Players

I would like to weigh in if I could.

F2P saved this game from disaster IMO. That said, certain prejudices that full subs have against F2P players, the ones that never spend a penny are understandable IMO.

However, it is important to point out that often we paint judgements with a rather wide brush. Some things we might think about.

1) In games that use a hybrid F2P system in the market, F2P players tend to be the source of the VAST MAJORITY of income the product receives. This game appears to be the exception, at least based on dev comments.

2) It is not unreasonable IMO to make a connection between perceived value in the market and F2P cash flow in this game. In other words, if the majority of F2P players are NOT paying out more than subscribed players, that to me indicates one of two scenarios

A. The game is not valuable enough to the F2P to warrant spending cash
B. The games F2P system is so prohibitive compared to other games on the market that F2P players convert to subs to avoid being penalized.

The second point could be healthy for the game, but that all depends on whether or not the sub spending volume has maintained itself....and if not, there is a serious problem in the entire system IMO. It is unsustainable. If traditional F2P spenders are converting to subs, and therefore spending much less than they normally would, that will effect cash flow for this product in the long run in a very negative way IMO.

IMO efforts are underway to make the game more appealing to casual players, which I think is a very smart move...though I am a bit wary considering the misfire (IMO) that was Galactic Starfighter (not a failure by any means, but certainly not likely to have gained support from the community or pulled in new players the way Bioware expected it would).

This dev team seems to be more competent when it comes to knowing and recognizing what the game's players actually desire. We will see if that holds true.

Lol pure damagogy no logic arguments.

I dont criticize them - lol - like that would even matter - I am only pointing out how obviously stupid is to be F2P for prolonged time IF you are spending a lot of time on this game. This is proven by my post - and you are only playing a role of blind "protector of the week".

Belive me 8$ in my coutry is way more than 15$ in USA. And why dont you use cost of a 6 month sub - cause it is lot cheaper - and we are talking about ppl playing this game for a long time not month or 2.

Lol and picking at my education (without single argument why would it be lacking) and personal attacks directly at me are totaly valid point in that discusion !

And about you final words !

NO I am not talking about F2P peaople in general - I dont know if they are stupid or not - most of society is tho, so there is strong possibility that many F2Pers are indeed stupid. But I neighter try to prove that nor I have intention to. And ofending ppl I dont know is hardly thrilling enough to be my point. Your failure to understand that is lamentable.

I mearly stated that staying as active F2P for prolonged time is stupid - the action is, not the person !

And contrary to your pittifull attempt to subvert what i said - my statements were well thought out and suported with rational analisis. While your words are hollow, Your whole point was to boost your ego - to jump in defence of something you feel is right, but you dont understand why.

PPL are free to do what they want - YES YES YES - they can eat poo and delight how delicious it is !
Pardon me for telling them they could eat ham instead.

And yes - I enjoyed this conversation - decline of humankind never cease to amuse me.

Good observation there.
And as usual the true case is mixture of both A and B.
The game as it is for F2P is too restricted to be valuable to new players - thats why many leave it, those who stay become subscribers in most cases. And this is how it should be.
Bioware should ofc make an effort to increase percentage of ppl who convert to Sub.
And they do with things like early access and giveaways for subscribers.

how exactly is it stupid if they still derive enough enjoyment from playing for the to justify doing it? ~but being f2p is so frustrating!~ yeah well, maybe to you but that doesn't mean that other people have to be all that bothered by the restrictions, enough that they think it's worth the money for a sub? And the 6 month sub might be the cheapest but that doesn't mean everyone is gonna use it. I only get the 2 months one because I a) don't really have any financial security as a jobless student whose income consists mostly of what I get from my parents, which might be nothing for months at a time depending on how well my mother's shop goes (and before you start with "get a job" I can get most of the stuff I want just fine anyway :|) b) I dislike feeling pressured into playing, like someone else said -- I'm fine paying a few Euro more for not committing to half a year when I don't know if I don't wanna take a month long break once my 60 days are over or if there's another game that keeps my attention long enough that I'd rather not be subbed for the duration I'm playing it because I'd feel like I wasted money that way far more than by keeping to the 60 days sub. (And I can only get my friend the 60 days anyway because as far as I know, the only way I can gift a sub is via cards and there only seems to be 60 days ones.)

Like... dude, just cause you wouldn't like being f2 p doesn't mean that everyone who decides they either prefer it that way or that they can't afford to sub but still like playing enough is doing something stupid.

again ... read read read

I said it before.

OFC ppl enjoy playing as F2Pers - its not like someone forces them to play.
I dont deny the enjoyment. I question the eficeincy of beeing a F2P for a long time.

"People still enjoy eating Icecream worth 1$ they bought for 5$."

Dont make me quote myself again.

And I question it being inefficient :/

Because like I said before
maybe they can't afford it -- and don't give me that ******** about of course they can, because again you don't know their circumstances and shockingly, things work differently elsewhere and for different people anyway
or maybe they don't feel like the game is worth it -- they play on and off when they have the time and they do so for months and they have fun but they just don't think it's worth the sub money, especially if they don't have that much time to play anyway

it doesn't matter whether you feel like being f2p is inefficient for yourself, what matters is that f2p players feel comfortable with being f2p for whatever reason and nothing gives you the right to ridicule them the way you have in this thread and badmouth them too (and you can backpaddle about the calling them stupid thing all you want, there's nothing else to call your insistence that they spend there money on smoking and drinking instead of, idk, things they actually need)

like... i subbed pretty soon after trying the game out because i decided the f2p restrictions annoyed me too much, but I would never presume I have the right to criticize or even ridicule someone else because they didn't come to the same conclusion because surprise, not everyone is me and enjoys things the same way as me, is bothered by the same things as me, prioritizes the same things as me, is in the same situation as me.

So, not entitled in the least. In either case. Snobbery is never acceptable

As easy as it is to blame it on the Leech to Play crowd, this is really what it boils down to. A lot of what people blame F2P players for these days existed long before the F2P disease became widespread in games.

People were need rolling in pugs long ago. People were begging long ago. People were ninja looting chests and quest objectives while someone else was fighting long ago.

None of this is new. It's just far more common now that the paywall has all but been eliminated from most games. F2P didn't create the problem, it just put a bigger spotlight on it.

That's because the cash (grab) shop is ridiculously overpriced on most things, and the players know it. The fact that the Dev team has noticed the disparity and done nothing to correct it shows the disconnect between them and the player base.

If your target market isn't spending money on your products, you don't keep creating the same products at the same prices. You find products that they want, and price them to sell.

Funny you say this after saying this:

F2P model was designed to get most of revenue of both F2P and Subs, also Subs become preferred and free-to-play become subs this was intended, the restrictions are a bit harsh on SWTOR but devs are doing content aimed at the whole playerbase.

Hopefully in the future they let F2P a way to lift all restrictions by paying for CC coins that way you insure the game is completely fair.