My Thoughts On Many F2P Players

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My Thoughts On Many F2P Players

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Angamir

05.29.2014 , 07:17 AM \| #51	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by mustopak Been a F2P for two years and not complaining or whining. I take those f2p restrictions as an added challenge to the gameplay. Besides if I grind enough credits I can get most of the unlocks off GTN. Maybe I like the game enough to dedicate my time playing the game and farming, working to achieve what I want and the feeling of satisfaction would be more. I can only afford one subscription and that belongs to my brother who I am paying for his sub now. I'm Preffered. Using my bro's account to post on forums. I have befriended a lot of F2P players, and all of them are decent players. Some of them are decent PvPers. Some of them even swing NiM ops like a breeze. Just pay those passes with credits and we can still enjoy the game. Not every f2p are cheapskates. In some countries dollars are worth a lot more than their currency, and believe it or not there are people who own a laptop and internet but that's all they have. I would sub if I have more money but I also have RL stuff I need to pay for. I get a lot of discrimination from genchat (subs to general f2p players) and people who I PUG with. "How can you live with being f2p??? Gosh" Still not complaining here, just enjoying the game. You can be ofc Decent player like that - I wont discriminate ppl like you in game, but you dont realise how wrong you are. If you played this game for over a year grindind 2x as much to be able to afford OPS passes etc - it means you spened 1000+ hours in this game ! If you used 200 of that time and worked for exptra money - that would cover your expenses for Subscribtion and still leave you some money as a bonus - and in SWTOR with Subscriber account you would have been able to play more comfortable and achive more becouse you would not weaste that much time grindind as you did. And that no matter what country you are from ! I am from mediocre poor country (compared to US or UK - Poland - and I am currently unemployed - but subscribtion price is only 2-3 hours work worth of money anyway - for the least payign jobs. As i say you might be a decent player who is not a hurdle for others in game, but you wasted your own tiem both in real life and in game. Your time that is way more valuable than money. I will not aprove that ! Never ! This is childish and unresponsible way of thinking.

theonetruebleed

05.29.2014 , 07:32 AM \| #52	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Drayvis ...subscriber snobbery. So? Subscribers are entitled to be snobs in the same way that PC gamers are entitled to see themselves as the glorious gaming master race. Subs are the backbone of the MMO market as PCs are the backbone of the entire gaming industry. Both have a certain higher level of buy-in than their respective alternatives and with that comes a completely natural feeling of smug superiority, which is fair enough, that's just folk. Personally, I have very little issue with F2Pers, i have seen them exhibit bad behaviour in equal quantity to other subscribers, as others here have pointed out, it's a general human problem. That being said, I'd just rather subscribers had their own servers, no particular reason, it would just make me feel more... comfortable I suppose. Am I guilty of irrational snobbery, yes, absolutely. Does that make me a bad person? Perhaps. Do I care? Unequivocally no, I certainly, unashamedly do not. This is a simply a small quirk in my otherwise 'peace-on-earth' personality, for which I make no apology.

ClaireAcelynn

05.29.2014 , 07:44 AM \| #53	Quote
nah it isn't F2P problem in SWTOR, it happen in every MMO this day,
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mustopak

05.29.2014 , 07:53 AM \| #54	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Angamir You can be ofc Decent player like that - I wont discriminate ppl like you in game, but you dont realise how wrong you are. If you played this game for over a year grindind 2x as much to be able to afford OPS passes etc - it means you spened 1000+ hours in this game ! If you used 200 of that time and worked for exptra money - that would cover your expenses for Subscribtion and still leave you some money as a bonus - and in SWTOR with Subscriber account you would have been able to play more comfortable and achive more becouse you would not weaste that much time grindind as you did. And that no matter what country you are from ! I am from mediocre poor country (compared to US or UK - Poland - and I am currently unemployed - but subscribtion price is only 2-3 hours work worth of money anyway - for the least payign jobs. As i say you might be a decent player who is not a hurdle for others in game, but you wasted your own tiem both in real life and in game. Your time that is way more valuable than money. I will not aprove that ! Never ! This is childish and unresponsible way of thinking. Dude, you think I don't work? Some jobs are not as high paying as other, and I never said I play 900000 hours a day to grind all those credits. I AM paying for a subcription, but it's not mine. I chose not to subscribe, and you can do nothing about it. Plus I have a Real Life that I spend more money on. I AM HAPPY being a F2P, I am enjoying the game, and I chose to not subscribe. Why am I irresponsible for not subscribing? As for the general view of F2P being bads, most of the people in this thread agreed that not F2P are all like that which puts my view leaning towards positivity to subs. Except for snobs.

DarthMaulUK

05.29.2014 , 10:09 AM \| #55	Quote
Ive argued this elsewhere and I agree that subscriber snobbery plays a huge part and essentially I blame Bioware for creating a 3 tier system. People have various reasons not wanting to pay a subs fee. Money, is the game worth it etc etc. You could also argue that the slow release of content isn't offering value for money. Personally, I hate the way Bioware place the older content like Flashpoints etc behind pay walls with the restrictions and they clearly have no idea how this impacts server populations either for group finder. How times on fleet have you seen people waiting ages for a Q to pop? Over the past few weeks, I have helped many F2P players with items, given them money, unlocks etc to get them started and just yesterday I gave someone over 1 million credits. Real life is full of people who have and those who have not and I am a firm believer it should NOT be the same in any game and until this 3 tier system is changed, the community will always remain divided but in order to make that change, you need to understand your community and Bioware clearly dont. And just to those snobs out there - cast your mind back to this moment in time 2012 when we were all on ghost town servers, crying for a merger as people left in volumes. No communication - nada. Fast forward to present and F2P has saved this game from perma death, its time you all accepted it and embraced your F2P brother/sister
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freeoftime

05.29.2014 , 11:07 AM \| #56	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Angamir You still dont get it If yuo CAN afford to waste 20+ hours in month playing MMO, you can also afford to pay subscribtion fee. Simple. And dont give me BS about ppl who, play F2P a lot becouse they cannot afford becouse of their family problem unemployment etc. If you have money problems you shouldnt waste your tame playign games to start with ! Go out and work for the money ! If you spend 40 hours in month on MMO jsut spend 5 of them doing small jobs and earn those 8$ ! OR dont eat sweets / drink vodka / smoke cigs ... Its simple ! You want to play for a month or 2 then quit -> dont sub at all. But dont even bother with End game. You decided you like the game enough to spend here more of your time - go sub - otherwise you are missing out on game. You dont have the money for sub ? - > go out and make money ! You cant go out and make money ? - > quit playing games and get a hold on your life. see now ? Staying F2P after finishing story is just an example of greedy and selfish thinking in itself - "Give me stuff for free, I dont want to pay, and I dont intend to work for my money, but I still want to have everythign free ! " The classism is strong in this one I have a friend who's f2p because she's still in school and doesn't have the money -- and you know, kinda needs the time to study rather than try to find a job to pay for this game. She's playing during her free time and personally? I find that a far better use of it than trying to find a job/working one. People need some down time too. I've got another f2p friend who does work, but needs that money to pay living expenses and student loans, not a game she plays in between studies and working to have some fun. It doesn't make her a terrible player or means she's not ~worthy~ to play the game or some nonsense like that. I've a friend who isn't f2p -- or well, is gonna be until hopefully Saturday, with bad luck Monday, when the new sub card I bought her arrives (after I messed up keeping track of when I need to order it :\|). She'd love being able to pay for it herself except... shock! horror! We live in a terrible economy and jobs aren't everywhere and she's been looking for one but hasn't found one yet???? But hey, if you live in some great utopia with no unemployment, do tell where it is, we'd all just love to hear :/ Until then, maybe tone down the classism and judgemental attitude down a bit. The problem here isn't f2p, the problem is people being jerks, and subs can be jerks too. Maybe there are more f2p players like that overall, but that'd be because there's more f2p players in general. Doesn't justify snobbery. (also lmao 20+ hours isn't even that much. but hey, why should poor people have nice things? why should they have fun? how dare they! ugh.)

theonetruebleed

05.29.2014 , 11:54 AM \| #57	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMaulUK ... embraced your F2P brother/sister I begrudgingly recognise the contribution of the F2Pers to the game's second wind, such as it is, and that the change in business model did indeed save the game from implosion. As for locking FPs behind a paywall, that is exactly where they should be, there is little enough incentive to subscribe and feel smugly superior about as it is without letting the great unwashed get everything they want free of charge, this isn't some socialist utopia here, the agenda is firmly capitalist, and long may it last. Now, at the risk of sounding dreadfully coarse, in regard to your kind invite to embrace a F2Per, I regret I must respectfully decline, frankly I would rather chew my own knob off, but that's for the offer regardless.

PorsaLindahl

05.29.2014 , 12:35 PM \| #58	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by jqualey I am posting this to hopefully enlighten others. Maybe even enlighten myself. You can take it with a grain of salt or whatever. Maybe its not ONLY F2P, but I haven't really seen subs do this. (maybe im just lucky in that regard) Hear me out. I started out a Free 2 Play member. And once I figured out I liked this game, I bought $4.99 worth of Cartel Coins which bumped me up to preferred. After doing this couple times, and dedicating more time and effort to my enjoyment of this game, I decided to subscribe. I, like many, are not rich. $4.99 to get some coins and the bump up is a couple Mt Dews (which is a horrible thing anyway). Even the subscription fee isn't that bad considering some of the other "habits" I have and what is offered to you as a subscriber. More and more I see F2P members using unethical game-play. Im not crying, Im not complaining. I am stating an observation. Flashpoints: NEEDING on EVERY drop. (Im free-2-play so it doesn't matter - I need it because i can sell it for credits - My companion needs it -I dont care) Missions: Running behind you and grabbing something that you're obviously in a battle to get (It will re-spawn - Im too stupid to realize that I would have to be fighting those guys to get that item - My character is an ****e so I have to be like my character - I don't care) Does somebody have _____ credits I can "borrow"** (I dont have time to earn my own - i used up my guild allowance - I dont care) Come on, you dont have time really? You have time to play the game but only certain parts of it? Again, maybe many of you have had to deal with selfish game-play by subs, preferred, etc. and I'm beginning to become prejudice. But I haven't really noticed subs doing so. We have invested in our game-play. It seems like F2P are just out for FREE FREE FREE TAKE TAKE TAKE. My philosophy has changed over time playing this game. F2P is great to get the feel of the game and to see if it's something you want to commit to and then sign up and enjoy the full power of the dark...err game. Maybe I shouldn't group all of the F2P like that. It just seems that way to me. Maybe take notice some time. Anybody have any opinions on this? Is it just a part of MMO? How do you know they were F2P's? There isn't an indicator, like EQ2's gold member buff icon, that says someone is a "sub," "preferred," or "F2P." This is definitely not a F2P mentality. I've seen it here long before F2P was introduced. I've seen it in UO, EQ2, WoW.. hell, any MMO has people that are just asses and do things like this. As far as looting goes, BW could/should code loot drops so that they only are only able to be rolled Need if that player fits the parameters for that item: Willpower = Consular/Sorcerer, Strength = Warrior/Knight, Aim = BH/Trooper and Cunning = Smuggler/Imp Agent. This way players can only roll Need on items with their primary stat. I've always ran across beggars as well. Some people are just too lazy to go out and do what's needed to make money. Mission/Quest updates/clickies: This has been a problem in many games and is absolutely not a F2P only issue. It's just impatience, or the childlike attitudes of "me first." Normally if I see someone about to jump a group of mobs for a clicky, I'll move along to another spot. One time I jumped a group of mobs and had someone else jump in a split second later from a different direction (we couldn't see each other) but I flagged the mobs, so I hit the quest update. After the fight, I was in the process of typing out an apology to the guy, when he/she made a very derogatory statement towards me. Apology out the window. I went back to my missions.
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DarthMaulUK

05.29.2014 , 01:03 PM \| #59	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by theonetruebleed Now, at the risk of sounding dreadfully coarse, in regard to your kind invite to embrace a F2Per, I regret I must respectfully decline, frankly I would rather chew my own knob off, but that's for the offer regardless. Then enjoy a game in decline, where the snobs wont be able to find groups to play with because they aren't logging on. A place where the F2P roam free but can't play group content because its locked away and they have reached their 5 played limits. The fan boys may jump up and down that its not but ask yourself - how can a game with apparently SO many players, have people struggling to fill even the smallest of raids? Its up to Bioware to add value to subscribers - using old content as a way of offering that value isnt the way to do it.
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TheNahash

05.29.2014 , 02:55 PM \| #60	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by freeoftime The classism is strong in this one I am not going to say that your friends are doing the wrong thing by not paying for the game. After all, they aren't doing anything illegal - Bioware is offering it for free. However, let's not get carried away. This is not a charity. It's a game that needs money to survive, because it's owned by a multinational corporation that needs to see profit from it to keep it going. The larger the number of people playing for free without ever spending 1 dollar from the moment they download the game to the moment they decide to leave, the more Bioware hurts. And the more Bioware hurts the less real content we, the subscribers, see. F2Pers help is indirect - there are more people playing the game so it doesn't feel dead, there are people to do PVP and run flashpoints with, more sellers on the GTN bringing down prices, subscribers can turn their CCs to credits by purchasing unlocks that can be then sold to F2Pers etc. All of the above are important to us, but not to Bioware or EA. At least, not AS important. The main thing they need is money because the servers don't run on happy thoughts and good feelings. Also, let's not forget we're talking about pure entertainment here. Your friends, just like you and I, are not exactly martyrs that are saving the world. They are just playing a game (for free). So this whole discussion about the bad economy and how people need some downtime or to devote themselves to their studies is really irrelevant, because playing a game is not necessary for their survival or for their well-being. In a nutshell, we shouldn't vilify F2Pers, but let's not go to the other extreme and present them as some kind of unsung heroes. Especially those that never spend a dollar on the game.
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