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yoyodar
05.27.2014 , 07:13 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Fidelicatessen View Post
I'd like to throw in my thoughts on this, unpopular though they may be:

Whatever GPU and CPU combo you go for, don't get a laptop. Desktops are not only less expensive (meaning more computing power/better graphics for your buck), they are easier to cool (meaning higher-speed everything). You are much less likely to drop a desktop and wreck it, too.

Did I mention more options for keyboards and monitors? Of course, you could always get a supplemental keyboard and monitor, but at that point, why are you buying a laptop?

Upgrades? WAY easier with a desktop.

Of course, laptops are more mobile but ask yourself, really, how much will you be playing SWTOR anywhere other than your chosen computer station/dock? Laptops are severely overrated.
Yeah I was looking at building a desktop since I already have a 23' monitor and peripherals but I also need a laptop for school next year and because my parents would help me get a laptop I have decided to go that way. Also when actually playing swtor it would be with a monitor and the laptop on a cooling stand.

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Malastare
05.27.2014 , 08:19 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by yoyodar View Post
Yeah I was looking at building a desktop since I already have a 23' monitor and peripherals but I also need a laptop for school next year and because my parents would help me get a laptop I have decided to go that way.
Well, here's my take on the two options you suggested:

Considering CPUs: The i5 and i7 are essentially equivalent, so far as SWTOR is concerned. The i5 might actually be the faster of the two but not in any noteworthy way.
Considering GPUs: Both are using GT755s. That's a suitable, though not stellar card. It's more than enough to play the game in high quality. I'd disable SLI even if you had it. SLI can give amazing graphical performance, but it can also give you infuriating driver and game bugs that cannot be worked around (except by disabling SLI). I suppose its there as an option for you to try. I just wouldn't base you decision on the assumption that SLI is going to make everything better.
Considering Storage: Its up to you to decide how much you need. The hybrid drives will perform nicely, but ultimately, the speed will be about the same with either option and it will only help with planet/zone loads.
Considering Memory: The i5 is using 6GB of RAM, the i7 is ... unspecified. I'd say that 6GB is just a touch lower than I'd want. And that's why I threw an extra 4GB into my wife's laptop. It's a cheap and simple upgrade. For the i7, I'd suggest selecting an 8GB option.

In the end: They will likely perform about the same. I don't think you get any noticeable improvement off the i7 and I wouldn't be willing to bet that you'll get better performance off of SLI. The good news: Both of them will probably be good choices. You still might get some stutter in heavy WZ or Ops action, but there isn't much to be done about that.

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yoyodar
05.27.2014 , 09:31 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Malastare View Post
Well, here's my take on the two options you suggested:

Considering CPUs: The i5 and i7 are essentially equivalent, so far as SWTOR is concerned. The i5 might actually be the faster of the two but not in any noteworthy way.
Considering GPUs: Both are using GT755s. That's a suitable, though not stellar card. It's more than enough to play the game in high quality. I'd disable SLI even if you had it. SLI can give amazing graphical performance, but it can also give you infuriating driver and game bugs that cannot be worked around (except by disabling SLI). I suppose its there as an option for you to try. I just wouldn't base you decision on the assumption that SLI is going to make everything better.
Considering Storage: Its up to you to decide how much you need. The hybrid drives will perform nicely, but ultimately, the speed will be about the same with either option and it will only help with planet/zone loads.
Considering Memory: The i5 is using 6GB of RAM, the i7 is ... unspecified. I'd say that 6GB is just a touch lower than I'd want. And that's why I threw an extra 4GB into my wife's laptop. It's a cheap and simple upgrade. For the i7, I'd suggest selecting an 8GB option.

In the end: They will likely perform about the same. I don't think you get any noticeable improvement off the i7 and I wouldn't be willing to bet that you'll get better performance off of SLI. The good news: Both of them will probably be good choices. You still might get some stutter in heavy WZ or Ops action, but there isn't much to be done about that.
Well since it seems you are someone you actually knows what you are talking about, are there any other laptops you can suggest for under 900$?

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Andryah
05.27.2014 , 09:55 AM | #24
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Malastare, thank you. I logged in to respond to those ridiculous AMD claims before I saw your post.
^^

I appreciate Malastare taking time to debunk the bunk that flows freely in these sorts of hardware discussion threads.
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Malastare
05.27.2014 , 11:12 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by yoyodar View Post
Well since it seems you are someone you actually knows what you are talking about, are there any other laptops you can suggest for under 900$?
I really think those are pretty good examples of $900 laptops for moderate gaming. The Lenovo off of Newegg was the top of my list when I searched for stuff that fit your requirements, but the i7 off Lenovo's site was a good find, too. Despite the the number of words I've used pointing out the weaknesses, you did pick some decent laptops and I think either would serve you, and you'd certainly get an improved experience while playing.

If I had to pick some alternates for you to choose from, the next best option would be:

MSI GE60: $979
i7-4700MQ
GTX-765M
Pros: Faster graphics card, no SLI, good RAM amount right out of the box
Cons: More heat, higher price, likely worse battery life

For really good performance with less concerns on price:

ASUS G750JM: $1,279
i7-4700HQ
GTX-860M
Pros: A real mobile gaming GPU, good cooling, good value for money, very good game performance
Cons: Well over budget, heavy

In truth, if I had to pick from the two you mentioned and the two I mentioned, I still might go with the i7 off Lenovo's site. It's really not a bad choice and I think you did a good job selecting it.

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yoyodar
05.27.2014 , 03:24 PM | #26
I was looking around and realised that the y410p would be good to since it has the same I7 and 755m instead of a 750m and since its a 14' it is more mobile and since I will be using a 23' monitor it doesn't hurt and it is 100 less so it is a option I am also considering. So now I guess its time to think about lol, also thanks for all the help malastare, especially when the amd guy came in lol

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Ansultares
05.27.2014 , 03:45 PM | #27
Get an i7, unless you insist on running some roflbig monitor.

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ZahirS
05.27.2014 , 03:45 PM | #28
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Sadly, this is false.

It's been a few generations since AMD was better at gaming. For now, and the next generation at least, AMD simply cannot match the single-core performance of an Intel chip.
Wrong, single core performance only is noticiable in heavy memory depadent programs, AMD cores are built for multi-tasking while intel is "narrow task per task", which is better? AMD

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The only reason that AMD chips are suggested for gaming is because, in most games, performance is primarily dependent on GPU performance and the CPU has next to no impact. In that case, pick AMD because it cheaper. SWTOR, however, is highly CPU dependent, and does the bulk of its processing on single thread family (ie: single core). In that situation, you want a CPU with good single-core performance, and no one reputable claims that AMD has better single-core performance.
Wrong in everything, not even one thing right. First AMD chips are popular because you can listen to music while playing SWTOR as an example, also AMD chips are cheaper per performance rating.

SWTOR depends on GPU not processor chip, so Intel is just a lame excuse at gaming.

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If the OP is trying to do a budget build, we can discuss AMD as an option. For performance: Intel.[//QUOTE]
Wrong, performance per buck goes to AMD chips, Intel is only energy efficient and good at excell and common tasks for computers not gaming.


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From what I can see, the 7850k's GPU is not what I'd call 'powerful'. It's good for integrated graphics, but it turns in half the framerate of a GTX 580, and noticeably less performance than a Radeon 6750.
Wrong article, I have AMD 7850K and from experience I play SWTOR on max settings 1080p Gaming while having framerates of around 30 consistent even if have Browser open.


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This is pretty wrong. The i5-2500K is still one of the most popular gaming CPUs, and the most popular bang-for-the-buck CPU for new gaming builds is the i5-4570. Check out this rundown for May 2014. Intel is the best pick in all categories except entry-level gaming... and SWTOR is not a game for entry-level builds.
i5 is not gaming budget chip, is still overpriced and used by people that dont know what they are buying, a person that likes performance per buck goes to AMD and buys his chip there.


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This is absolutely false with SWTOR. For CoD or Battlefield, sure. But MMOs put a lot of work on the CPU. In SWTOR, the most common cause of graphical lag is high CPU loading.
This is wrong.
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The 7850k does not have great graphical performance. It seems to be on par with a AMD 5700 or a GTX 560. Yes, its cheaper than a i5-4570 and a GTX-750, but the performance is much lower, too. It would be great for a budget gamer, but in SWTOR you should expect low framerates (20-40fps), particularly in warzones and Ops.
I have owned a Intel-based and AMD based computer similar specs both running SWTOR, I have to say it was an Intel Mac with NVIDIA graphics card, but even then my AMD spec which doesnt have graphic card (I saved money) runs SWTOR smoother than ever, no lagg, no OP lagg, no warzone lagg....AMD delivers.

My best spec is AMD, it cost me around 400 dollars or less and very happy with it, there isnt a game I cant play on max.

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AshlaBoga
05.27.2014 , 04:54 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
cost me around 400 dollars or less and very happy with it, there isnt a game I cant play on max.
Just to clarify:
The CPU/GPU cost $400 right? Because I can't imagine a $400 computer that could play all current games on max.
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ZahirS
05.27.2014 , 04:58 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
Just to clarify:
The CPU/GPU cost $400 right? Because I can't imagine a $400 computer that could play all current games on max.
Yes actually is less than 400 dollars and plays everything on max.

Ill add there is no Budget PC that tops an AMD build, not even i5 intel specs.