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Bioware: Most of your players are pvp'ers.... figure it out!

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Bioware: Most of your players are pvp'ers.... figure it out!

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JediMasterSLC
05.19.2014 , 11:15 PM | #391
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
When developers see a bunch of whiny entitled forum goers who bash their every word they become even less likely to care about you.
You don't understand- for the most part, the devs themselves are not blamed (at least, not by myself and other educated members of community). We know that they can only work with the time and resources allocated to them; the biggest problem is that they are allocated insufficient time and resources from the higher-ups. The mediocrity of the game can, in part, be attributed to bad development decisions- like the decision to purchase an unfinished game engine and attempt to complete it themselve). But for the most part, it is due to EA's decisions- i.e. pushing the game to be released too early, firing a large fraction of employees in response to people unsubbing due to lack of content (instead of hiring more people to pump out more content faster and attract those subs back), and again, just continuing to not provide the remaining devs with enough resources to make this game GOOD (even though the game is making them hundreds of millions of dollars a year).

There's another thing- it doesn't matter if BW thinks we are whiny. It only matters if they do what we want: pump out more, better content, faster. Informing them that we expect more, and are prepared to protest with our wallets if we do not get more, is a much more effective way of effecting this result than letting them know that we're all perfectly happy the way things are. It's not greedy, its ambitious.

Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
This game is great and not mediocre and has had a vast improvement to it since launch.
Damn, that assertion just makes all my arguments go away. BW plz nerf this guy he's too gud.

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JediMasterSLC
05.19.2014 , 11:17 PM | #392
Quote: Originally Posted by robertthebard View Post
That's a hell of a lot of text for you to try to tell me what I can and cannot find fun. I find this game to be fun, what your "gaming community" has to say matters a damn to me, so long as I'm having fun, I'll be around. When that ceases to be the case, I won't move to forum PvP trying to tell people they can't have fun playing, I'll just move on.
If you like the game so much, why are you constantly in the forums, instead of playing it? I wouldn't have any problem with you if you just did that. I guess the nuances of my posts continue to go over your head.

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Reno_Tarshil
05.19.2014 , 11:24 PM | #393
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
You don't understand- for the most part, the devs themselves are not blamed (at least, not by myself and other educated members of community). We know that they can only work with the time and resources allocated to them; the biggest problem is that they are allocated insufficient time and resources from the higher-ups. The mediocrity of the game can, in part, be attributed to bad development decisions- like the decision to purchase an unfinished game engine and attempt to complete it themselve). But for the most part, it is due to EA's decisions- i.e. pushing the game to be released too early, firing a large fraction of employees in response to people unsubbing due to lack of content (instead of hiring more people to pump out more content faster and attract those subs back), and again, just continuing to not provide the remaining devs with enough resources to make this game GOOD (even though the game is making them hundreds of millions of dollars a year).

There's another thing- it doesn't matter if BW thinks we are whiny. It only matters if they do what we want: pump out more, better content, faster. Informing them that we expect more, and are prepared to protest with our wallets if we do not get more, is a much more effective way of effecting this result than letting them know that we're all perfectly happy the way things are. It's not greedy, its ambitious.



Damn, that assertion just makes all my arguments go away. BW plz nerf this guy he's too gud.
You tell them you're going to protest all you want but you can't honestly expect them to take unsub threats seriously? Want to send a message just take your money and leave, if enough people do it, they will get your message, whether they care or not is another story.

Also you cannot honestly expect people to not praise the things they enjoy. It's not healthy at all to just have negative issues with a game without allowing the positives to shine thru. I don't know what you're honestly trying to accomplish by trying to hide all the good things people have to say about this game.

Lastly, that's just my opinion on the game. I am entitled to share it with the forums as I see fit. You may not like it but you're just going to have to deal with it.

Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
If you like the game so much, why are you constantly in the forums, instead of playing it? I wouldn't have any problem with you if you just did that. I guess the nuances of my posts continue to go over your head.
Wow another person who hasn't heard of Multi-tasking...
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JediMasterSLC
05.19.2014 , 11:32 PM | #394
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
You tell them you're going to protest all you want but you can't honestly expect them to take unsub threats seriously? Want to send a message just take your money and leave, if enough people do it, they will get your message, whether they care or not is another story.

Also you cannot honestly expect people to not praise the things they enjoy. It's not healthy at all to just have negative issues with a game without allowing the positives to shine thru. I don't know what you're honestly trying to accomplish by trying to hide all the good things people have to say about this game.

Lastly, that's just my opinion on the game. I am entitled to share it with the forums as I see fit. You may not like it but you're just going to have to deal with it.
You're making it sound like I said that you can never provide positive feedback (even I do that sometimes)....... Honestly, if you continue to fail to understand the nuances of my arguments (or just choosing to ignore them, I can't tell), I'm just not going to bother anymore. I'm sure you'd be devastated by that :/

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Wow another person who hasn't heard of Multi-tasking...
I guess you took the point a little too literally.

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Reno_Tarshil
05.19.2014 , 11:53 PM | #395
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
You're making it sound like I said that you can never provide positive feedback (even I do that sometimes)....... Honestly, if you continue to fail to understand the nuances of my arguments (or just choosing to ignore them, I can't tell), I'm just not going to bother anymore. I'm sure you'd be devastated by that :/



I guess you took the point a little too literally.
Calling the game mediocre and informing players that they are not allowed to stand for mediocrity. Those were your words in multiple threads. You are the one who made it sound like players are not allowed to think for themselves with your words. That's all on you.

As for the second portion. You were suggesting that the player spend his time in game if he loved it so much instead of the forums. I simply pointed out that people can multitask. No need to get upset.
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robertthebard
05.20.2014 , 12:20 AM | #396
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
If you like the game so much, why are you constantly in the forums, instead of playing it? I wouldn't have any problem with you if you just did that. I guess the nuances of my posts continue to go over your head.
Wait, what? Now you're telling me how/where I should spend my time? I was standing at the shuttle to EC, waiting for one of the healers to get back from picking up their kids when I read and responded to your post. I realize that it's difficult for you to understand, but some of us have computers that can run more than one monitor, so when I have to go to the guild website to accept an application, and our op run is still on hold, I can browse here too. I know, it's hard to believe, isn't it?

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SithEBM-Reborn
05.26.2014 , 03:44 PM | #397
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
Calling the game mediocre and informing players that they are not allowed to stand for mediocrity. Those were your words in multiple threads. You are the one who made it sound like players are not allowed to think for themselves with your words. That's all on you.

As for the second portion. You were suggesting that the player spend his time in game if he loved it so much instead of the forums. I simply pointed out that people can multitask. No need to get upset.
So I guess the only non-trolly way of providing feedback on these forums is by blindly defending the game and EAware.

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Sangrar
05.26.2014 , 03:45 PM | #398
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
If you like the game so much, why are you constantly in the forums, instead of playing it? I wouldn't have any problem with you if you just did that. I guess the nuances of my posts continue to go over your head.
I personally have my game set to fullscreen(windowed) so I can easily go between forums and game uninhibited. By the way so mature trying to switch the conversation around on him.
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horrorfaneightys
05.26.2014 , 03:48 PM | #399
I have a tablet. I play the game on my computer whilst logged into the forums on the tablet.
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Sangrar
05.26.2014 , 03:51 PM | #400
Quote: Originally Posted by SithEBM-Reborn View Post
So I guess the only non-trolly way of providing feedback on these forums is by blindly defending the game and EAware.
no, the non trolly way is to post your honest opinions without insulting other players, without throwing crap like "defender" or "drone" or "apologist", and to make some actual sense and with detail instead of going with a barely intelligible "fu bioware fix pvp this is all the cartel markets fault fu!!"
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