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Why do people care about immersion so much?

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Why do people care about immersion so much?

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BrintoSFJ
05.25.2014 , 04:47 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Elite-Defender View Post
I guess you never went to fancy dress parties as a kid.

And thats your opinion that the health of a game is more important than immersion. That's just how you prefer to see the game.

This game flopped badly and development was slowed down but i still play it because i like star wars
If the game did not have name "star wars" then it would have died a long time ago. you are the 1st one to admit that you only play because of the name "star wars", rest of the people always try to avoid that topic entirely.

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robertthebard
05.25.2014 , 04:51 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by immortalityftw View Post
Sorry, this point is false. Games like LoL and Dota prove this statement invalid.
Do they? So nobody playing those games are playing them to step out of reality for a bit? I read books to take a break from what's going on in my day. Am I hiding from it? No, I'm just taking a break. But if the story isn't any more interesting than my car's technical manual, I won't be reading it long. Something in the story has to grab me, to keep me interested in what's going on in it, aka "immersed". The same is true for gaming. I'm betting that the vast majority of people playing LoL or Dota are just picking up doing in game what they do IRL, are they? They're taking a break from the hustle and bustle world. However, I'd like to see where you're pulling your information from, or is this one of those "out of my arse" claims?

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DeltaBos
05.25.2014 , 04:54 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by immortalityftw View Post
I have always wondered about this question. I understand the feeling that a game should have an overall atmosphere depicting the type of game it is, but I don't understand why people get so upset over small things being "immersion breaking."

I play games solely for fun and not to escape problems of life. I have never wanted to be "immersed" in a game world. I can think the story is great, but I never once place myself as the protagonist in the game. It also amuses me when people say things like this game failed largely due to the immersion whereas the most popular game, LoL, is not immersive in the slightest.

I'm betting many people cry about immersion so much due to the fact that they want to escape the real world which is honestly sad.
For me, at least, I feel connected to my toons. I view them as individuals with individual personalities and lives. For that reason I like them to at least "make sense." I'm not sure if this is what you mean but my logic is: if my toon is a mandalorian, he should wear mando armor and posses mando honor. If my toon is a sigh he shouldn't rub around in biohazard armor and have a pacifist personality. I even care about what my comps where, that their gear makes sense as well. So for me, I just care that all my toons look and act their parts.
Query: Is there someone that you need killed master?

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BrintoSFJ
05.25.2014 , 04:58 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Strajder View Post
He was not using **holy magic**, was he? he was using force, despite how lame that "army of light" sounds they were still using force. my question can simply be this : If EAWare simply puts all kind of fantasy creature/race/class/power in SWTOR will OP still say "I don't see the problem"?

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BrintoSFJ
05.25.2014 , 05:01 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by robertthebard View Post
Do they? So nobody playing those games are playing them to step out of reality for a bit? I read books to take a break from what's going on in my day. Am I hiding from it? No, I'm just taking a break. But if the story isn't any more interesting than my car's technical manual, I won't be reading it long. Something in the story has to grab me, to keep me interested in what's going on in it, aka "immersed". The same is true for gaming. I'm betting that the vast majority of people playing LoL or Dota are just picking up doing in game what they do IRL, are they? They're taking a break from the hustle and bustle world. However, I'd like to see where you're pulling your information from, or is this one of those "out of my arse" claims?
DOTA and LoL are pure pvp games and people who are playing them; they play for the sake of pvp not for story or immersion. you don't have to believe me or anyone else; if you have any idea what kind people pvp players are you would not bring those game into this topic of immersion.

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robertthebard
05.25.2014 , 05:07 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by BrintoSFJ View Post
DOTA and LoL are pure pvp games and people who are playing them; they play for the sake of pvp not for story or immersion. you don't have to believe me or anyone else; if you have any idea what kind people pvp players are you would not bring those game into this topic of immersion.
I didn't bring them in, I asked because the person I quoted did. However, I'm betting my premise is right, people in LoL and Dota aren't running around all day killing people and then log in and kill virtual people. BTW, just as an aside, but immersion doesn't have to be tied to story content. PvP can be an immersive experience too.

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Strajder
05.25.2014 , 05:11 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by BrintoSFJ View Post
DOTA and LoL are pure pvp games and people who are playing them; they play for the sake of pvp not for story or immersion. you don't have to believe me or anyone else; if you have any idea what kind people pvp players are you would not bring those game into this topic of immersion.
People who prefer PvP often neglect immersion, but PvP is not in conflict with it. RP-PvP is possible.

Now, I haven't played DotA and LoL, but from what I can see they do have some measure of lore going on with them. Granted, much less in scope than a game with Star Wars in its title, or even other e-Sports games like StarCraft.

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BrintoSFJ
05.25.2014 , 05:17 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by robertthebard View Post
I didn't bring them in, I asked because the person I quoted did. However, I'm betting my premise is right, people in LoL and Dota aren't running around all day killing people and then log in and kill virtual people. BTW, just as an aside, but immersion doesn't have to be tied to story content. PvP can be an immersive experience too.
Yes they can be, in mmorpg they are immersive, in this game too. people have already explained them in previous posts. But in case of LoL or DoTA or HoN or SMITE or any other MoBA i can not see the immersion; simply because when same champion/hero is fighting on both side the question arises "which side that guy is really on?" or "what the f is going on here? why the hell that guy is fighting himself? and how the hell there are 2 of them? i thought The great giant killer Moronic Beard is one person!!!", in the end all that remains is the thrill of competition, the pvp. MoBA were never developed to immerse the players into a game world, it was always to give players the thrill of competition against another player in a fair ground. comparing moba to mmorpg is like comparing a singer to a carpenter, both are creating art but both are not same.

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BrintoSFJ
05.25.2014 , 05:20 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Strajder View Post
People who prefer PvP often neglect immersion, but PvP is not in conflict with it. RP-PvP is possible.

Now, I haven't played DotA and LoL, but from what I can see they do have some measure of lore going on with them. Granted, much less in scope than a game with Star Wars in its title, or even other e-Sports games like StarCraft.
Yes each character have some background and each faction too but when the same hero is playing on both faction and fighting each other that can not be considered immersive. see my previous post.

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Jessabeans
05.25.2014 , 05:45 AM | #40
Have you ever been watching a movie, trying to care about the plot and had someone come in and talk over it to tell you about some ascine, unrelated thing? It's like that, some people just want to enjoy their little escape/entertainment time without dealing with unrelated things or outside influence from others.