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Is the F2P/Preffered system too prohibitive, and if so, what should change?

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Is the F2P/Preffered system too prohibitive, and if so, what should change?

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Styxx
05.22.2014 , 01:39 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by Volthorne View Post
League of Legends, DotA2, AirMech, Spiral Knights (SK even allows trading of hard currency for soft currency between players), TF2, RIFT, Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm, Path of Exile. All games where you can literally get EVERYTHING that isn't superficial or superfluous (cosmetics, skins, server changes, etc. Exception is TF2, where there is nothing you can't get for free eventually) for free. Not to mention those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head, there's probably a lot more out there.
Then you`re just wasting your time with this highly monetized game, no?

I also heard WOW and WOT are free too.
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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LordArtemis
05.22.2014 , 02:45 AM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
Then you`re just wasting your time with this highly monetized game, no?

I also heard WOW and WOT are free too.
In all fairness that is not a very nice response to the fact that your inaccurate post was corrected (politely I might add).

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Umbura
05.22.2014 , 04:05 AM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by Sidenti View Post
...I'd like to introduce you to a little concept called "bandwidth costs". Freeps do indeed cost Bioware money, because Bioware has to pay to host and transmit their services to us, the players.

That's nowhere near "free to Bioware". Bandwidth costs, particularly for businesses, can be RIDICULOUS. Also, while it's true freeps and preems don't get in-game service like the subs do, Bioware still employs people to maintain the game for all its players to play. Freeps and preems share in that cost because they play here too.

Nothing's ever "free" except advice. -bp
Haha ! Very good joke.
Let me introduce you to an old-school concept called Hitchhiking (1).
Free player are no cost players.
They just pay their ISP for the traffic on the network.
Bioware has already dimensioned the system to respond to the subscriber demand (and a little more). It's already payed by your subscription. Free players just play with the resources that are already payed but unused.

Ok maybe the space of a profile in DB. Do you have an idea of the price of a Tera for Bioware ? lol.
Thank you.
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Styxx
05.22.2014 , 10:59 AM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
In all fairness that is not a very nice response to the fact that your inaccurate post was corrected (politely I might add).
I pointed 2 games for a reason - one is THE MMO, which has a free variant too, I`m told, while the other is the number 4 best making money game.

As for one of the games on that list, Crossfire, that is a straight PAY TO WIN game: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco...ever-heard-of/ - and it is only the number one money making game.
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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BuriDogshin
05.22.2014 , 11:07 AM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
As for one of the games on that list, Crossfire, that is a straight PAY TO WIN game: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco...ever-heard-of/ - and it only the number one money making game.
No, it isn't. The chart in that article shows only revenues from microtransactions. As the article you refer to itself points out, WoW pulls in over $100 million a month from subscription fees alone, do the math, you'll see that WoW gets substantially more revenue from just its subscriptions than Crossfire gets from microstransactions.
Going Preferred January 31, 2015.

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Khevar
05.22.2014 , 11:08 AM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
As for one of the games on that list, Crossfire, that is a straight PAY TO WIN game: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco...ever-heard-of/ - and it only the number one money making game.
Interesting article. I'd never heard of Crossfire before.

What saddens me, is how successful that game is (in terms of revenue) with a blatantly Pay to Win microtransaction model. Why would developers listen to people arguing against the idea of P2W, when there are enough people willing to pay almost a BILLION dollars to win.

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Styxx
05.22.2014 , 11:12 AM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by BuriDogshin View Post
No, it isn't. The chart in that article shows only revenues from microtransactions. As the article you refer to itself points out, WoW pulls in over $100 million a month from subscription fees alone, do the math, you'll see that WoW gets substantially more revenue from just its subscriptions than Crossfire gets from microstransactions.
Have you seen what I was replying to?
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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DarthTHC
05.22.2014 , 11:12 AM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
Interesting article. I'd never heard of Crossfire before.

What saddens me, is how successful that game is (in terms of revenue) with a blatantly Pay to Win microtransaction model. Why would developers listen to people arguing against the idea of P2W, when there are enough people willing to pay almost a BILLION dollars to win.
The word you're looking for is integrity.

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Styxx
05.22.2014 , 11:15 AM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
The word you're looking for is integrity.
You are looking for integrity among some nobodies who`s only achievements come from pixels. They will only care about "pwning noobs / carebears / bads". They are so bad and averse to hard work that they need a fat wallet to do it. To them, that word means nothing.

Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
In all fairness that is not a very nice response to the fact that your inaccurate post was corrected (politely I might add).
Also, those games INVITE you to spend money. This one FORCES you. All of them offer some reward for real cash. If forcing is not his thing, then he shouldn`t be here, or play those very free games he linked. He already thinks the sub is P2W.

Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
Interesting article. I'd never heard of Crossfire before.

What saddens me, is how successful that game is (in terms of revenue) with a blatantly Pay to Win microtransaction model. Why would developers listen to people arguing against the idea of P2W, when there are enough people willing to pay almost a BILLION dollars to win.
If this game will start selling +60 crystals it will probably double it`s revenue. The usual suspects will just flock the forums in disgust, only to spend small fortunes to gamble or buy some of them ingame. I know a certain vanguard that`s on the FIFTH page on PoT5 that would love to get his hands on some.
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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OddballEasyEight
05.22.2014 , 11:42 AM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
The base game is not F2P and never was - not in the sense that it is 100% free. It offers ONLY restricted access for free - nowhere it is said that Free is the new model. No game in the world is completely free and this game is no exception.

Be happy - you or anyone that plays or wants to play without spending money - that you can play as it is. Lacking any proof they spent ANY money, or money up to at least 15 bucks per month, freeloaders will never be more than "beggars can`t be choosers".
Compared to any other F2P game it certainly is as free as they are.

Let's see what cannot be removed with unlocks (that can be bought in-game for in-game credits, not a single dime of real money needs to be spent).

Less xp earned.
Less credits earned.
Not all the mission rewards available.

That's about it.

Compare that to other F2P games with Premium Account options.

No premium account:
Less xp earned.
Less credits earned.
Usually other restrictions that vary depending on the game.

Sounds pretty similar to me. So are you telling me those other games are not "truly" F2P as well?

Oh and I've been here since the start and have paid for every month played (even though I had to stop subscribing for a few months when I was unemployed).
So you can take your attitude and space it.

I'm not going to continue this discussion with you since you have an incredibly rude and obnoxious attitude.

Good day sir.
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