How come Pazaak STILL isn't in game...yet you make slot machines?

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How come Pazaak STILL isn't in game...yet you make slot machines?

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Malastare

05.19.2014 , 11:13 AM \| #21	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Elite-Defender You said they arent...do you have a source for that, or were you assuming too? He just stated the reality that can be seen on the PTS. You were the one who based on argument off of information that doesn't exist. He based his argument on information that does exist. Then you accused him of assuming... that your assumption wasn't true. There's no logic in that. Quote: Originally Posted by Elite-Defender It would be a lot of work for SWTOR to add a free form space PVP battles...oh wait they already have. Adding a 2D card game is not difficult. Can they use the free-form space battle code to play a 2D card game? No? Then why does GSF's inclusion have any bearing on the topic at hand? It doesn't matter if GSF was more complicated or difficult. Pazaak still takes the same amount of time as it would have before GSF was added. Even before that, they added the cartel market and arenas, both of which were at least as much work as a Pazaak minigame would be. So, its not a question of whether they would undertake a project of that size. No one has said that Pazaak is impossible, or that the developers can't add it, or that they would never spend the time to create it. It's simply not as easy as most of the people arguing for it are presenting it to be.

DOHboy

05.19.2014 , 11:22 AM \| #22	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Malastare He just stated the reality that can be seen on the PTS. You were the one who based on argument off of information that doesn't exist. He based his argument on information that does exist. Then you accused him of assuming... that your assumption wasn't true. There's no logic in that. Can they use the free-form space battle code to play a 2D card game? No? Then why does GSF's inclusion have any bearing on the topic at hand? It doesn't matter if GSF was more complicated or difficult. Pazaak still takes the same amount of time as it would have before GSF was added. Even before that, they added the cartel market and arenas, both of which were at least as much work as a Pazaak minigame would be. So, its not a question of whether they would undertake a project of that size. No one has said that Pazaak is impossible, or that the developers can't add it, or that they would never spend the time to create it. It's simply not as easy as most of the people arguing for it are presenting it to be. why even bother. The basic complaint for Pazaak that people use is "why not in since start" like they had nothing better to do when building their MMO other than pazaak and swoop racing. Since they tend to feel that what everyone wanted to do when playing this game had nothing to do with anything other than playing those mini-games. Its magic, it might be hard magic but magic non the less. so why not do magic at the start rather than wait for two years down the road for magic. Granted making something else first is not an excuse as they wanted it from the start thus it should have been there from the start. . while we're at it..take out all this MMO crap since most wanted a solo game as well.

AlienEyeTX

05.19.2014 , 11:45 AM \| #23	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Elite-Defender Is it because you can't think of a way to make money from pazaak? I can see with the slot machines you could sell tokens on the cartel market or something Oh heres an idea You can sell pazaak card packs on the cartel market! Seriously I dont recall people asking for slot machines but pazaak has been asked way before launch. Just because we didn't ask for it, that doesn't mean that we don't want it.
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Bluejayoo

05.19.2014 , 11:51 AM \| #24	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by catracho OP the game is in faux maintenance mode. I agree. The game basically failed at launch and EA has been trying to make what ever they can off of it ever since. I don't blame them for that (I do blame them for releasing the original game obviously before it was ready). We never even got the extensions to the companion stories we were told we would get back in 2012. I seriously doubt we would see something added that would require a significant extension to the game engine to achieve.
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Infernixx

05.19.2014 , 12:05 PM \| #25	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Bluejayoo I agree. The game basically failed at launch and EA has been trying to make what ever they can off of it ever since. I don't blame them for that (I do blame them for releasing the original game obviously before it was ready). We never even got the extensions to the companion stories we were told we would get back in 2012. I seriously doubt we would see something added that would require a significant extension to the game engine to achieve. The game made over $200 mil in 2013 between the CM and sub revenue. The game's fine. The game's going to be here for a long time to come. You can relax, chicken little.
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco Infernixx nailed it. This is correct. Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.

Malastare

05.19.2014 , 12:09 PM \| #26	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Bluejayoo I agree. The game basically failed at launch and EA has been trying to make what ever they can off of it ever since. "Second largest MMO in North America" == "basically failed" Got it. Only one game per genre gets to succeed. Either you're the best, or you failed. We got a new planet, new level cap, arenas, space PvP, ranked PvP awards, a few events, and loads of new armor that people were asking for. And that's "maintenance mode"? Quote: Originally Posted by Bluejayoo We never even got the extensions to the companion stories we were told we would get back in 2012. We were never told that we would get them. We were told that they wanted to do them. That's not a promise. Its not a guarantee. It's not even a confirmation that they ever started working on them. It's just fans building expectations based on speculation.

DarthTHC

05.19.2014 , 12:23 PM \| #27	Quote
I doubt they'll sell tokens on the cartel market. They did it to suck credits out of the economy - a credit drain. They're introducing it before housing to get all the undisciplined players to blow their credits on nothing so when housing comes, they have to spend cartel coins. You can bet your bottom credit that they will also do another really big cartel market sale before housing goes live, too, just to get all the undisciplined players to blow their wad of saved cartel coins, too. That way they'll have to do the $ -> cartel coins -> housing route instead of credits -> housing. It's not evil. It's not twisted. Any player with half a brain should already know that housing is coming and it's going to cost millions of credits. Therefore, any player with half a brain who blows their savings on slot machines has nobody to blame but himself when he's too broke to afford housing. Caveat emptor and all that jazz.

DarthTHC

05.19.2014 , 12:26 PM \| #28	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by catracho OP the game is in faux maintenance mode. The devs are focusing on the cash shop so EA can meet investors' figures. Anyone is free to disagree but please don't silence this because many people including me feel it to be true. I do smell that slot machines will be largely focused on the cash shop, just like GSF and soon to be Strongholds. Wow, we're getting a lot of new features for maintenance mode. Have you seen the patch notes and road map? They're full of new stuff, almost like clockwork! I bet every game in maintenance mode wishes its parent company was as generous as is EA with staffing!

OddballEasyEight

05.19.2014 , 12:27 PM \| #29	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Elite-Defender You said they arent...do you have a source for that, or were you assuming too? The fact is that the aren't. For now anyway. As it stands right now there are no signs whatsoever that they will be implementing slot machine tokens through the CM. You are merely speculating they will because of a cynical view of how the game is being developed. I am basing my statement on what is confirmed as of right now. Also, IF they did implement that, it would be extremely close to, if not actual, online gambling. And that has laws and regulations that bioware would have to adhere to. Not to mention that they would have to procure a license to do so. Quote: Originally Posted by Elite-Defender It would be a lot of work for SWTOR to add a free form space PVP battles...oh wait they already have. Adding a 2D card game is not difficult. Yeah, remind me again how quickly they implemented that free form space PvP again? Adding a 2D card game could be immensely difficult. Neither you nor I know if it is. So stop pretending that you do.
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OddballEasyEight

05.19.2014 , 12:29 PM \| #30	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by catracho OP the game is in faux maintenance mode. The devs are focusing on the cash shop so EA can meet investors' figures. Anyone is free to disagree but please don't silence this because many people including me feel it to be true. I do smell that slot machines will be largely focused on the cash shop, just like GSF and soon to be Strongholds. GSF is hardly focused on the cash shop. You can play GSF to your hearts delight without ever buying anything off the CM and still not be at a disadvantage to anyone else. There are not very many ships released on the CM and neither are there very many colour schemes and such. If GSF was focused on the cash shop you would have tons more stuff for GSF on the CM than there is.
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