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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Superman_AZ
05.14.2014 , 02:39 PM | #4861
Quote: Originally Posted by Thoronmir View Post
Still doesn't affect me. I don't raid either (or do any end game group content). That's probably why I don't buy this argument. To me, it seems that the only "guaranteed" raid slots are with friends and guildmates. If they relegate you to the bench as you suggest may happen, you need to find new friends and a new guild.

Also can't the same argument be made about anything that advantages one character over another? When they add a new tier of gear mods, I don't see anyone argue against it because I just spent two years "earning" my raid spot and now I'm being benched because this other guy already has the new stuff. Maybe raiders do make that argument ... I just haven't seen it. Because I don't raid and pay little attention to the SWTOR Raid-verse.

I realize you're not making this argument. You're simply providing an example of what others might argue. It just seems a tad flimsy to support denying a feature people want. Personally, I don't want it. And you make a decent point about why it's not in the game now. The crux of my post was intended to highlight the fact that, unless a change affects how I like to play, I don't care.
The main reason I object to the AC swap is because you are, in some cases, taking on an essentially different class. A Sith Sorc Healer is greatly different from a Sith Assassin tank. Being able to just click a button and switch ACs, when we can't even do that with talent trees, is kinda scary. It gives someone who plays a sorc dps to queue as a sith assassin just to skip the long queue and now you have a run with one healer and all DPS. The imbalance and abuse over all needs to be heavily regulated, and Dual spec added, long before this notion is even entertained.
"Be yourself, no one can ever tell you you're doing it wrong." ~ James Leo Herlihy

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Superman_AZ
05.14.2014 , 02:42 PM | #4862
Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
Again your point of view
It's hardly a point of view when only facts and legitimate definitions are used. I am sorry that you thought you would trip me up when asking me to explain the difference between the two, but definitions and facts don't lie. Hopes and dreams are another story.
"Be yourself, no one can ever tell you you're doing it wrong." ~ James Leo Herlihy

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ZahirS
05.14.2014 , 02:42 PM | #4863
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
It's hardly a point of view when only facts and legitimate definitions are used. I am sorry that you thought you would trip me up when asking me to explain the difference between the two, but definitions and facts don't lie. Hopes and dreams are another story.
why make a pettition fi you dont have hope in it?

Are you really that pessimistic and unreal....

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LordArtemis
05.14.2014 , 02:47 PM | #4864
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
I think the majority of players really don't care one way or the other.
You sir win the internet.

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Superman_AZ
05.14.2014 , 02:49 PM | #4865
Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
why make a pettition fi you dont have hope in it?

Are you really that pessimistic and unreal....
Again, wrong definitions. A realist makes a petition knowing it could go either way. They are more interested in a real outcome, not an anticipated outcome. An OPTIMIST will make a petition and hope for the best and even expect the answer to sway in his favor. A Pessimist would make a poll and say "Not sure why I did this since everyone will just vote against me anyways."

You are an optimist, and somewhat of a philosopher. But a realist you are not.
"Be yourself, no one can ever tell you you're doing it wrong." ~ James Leo Herlihy

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Thoronmir
05.14.2014 , 02:53 PM | #4866
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
It gives someone who plays a sorc dps to queue as a sith assassin just to skip the long queue and now you have a run with one healer and all DPS. The imbalance and abuse over all needs to be heavily regulated, and Dual spec added, long before this notion is even entertained.
Again, I'm not in favor of AC changes either, but still can't see how it affects me. To skip the long queue, the Assassin would have to queue as a tank. Your concern presupposes the ability to switch AC after the group is formed. This seems self-regulating. If I was in the group and the Assassin who joined as our tank wants to switch to Sage DPS, the answer is easy. One of us is leaving the group. The Sage/Assassin is definitely going on /Ignore. Also, maybe the AC button can be set up to not work if you're grouped. That would prevent the abuse you mention.

I agree in principle that changing ACs is changing classes. But it seems that, assuming enough players really want the option, any rational arguments against it can be overcome either in the implementation by the developers or regulation among the community.

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ZahirS
05.14.2014 , 02:59 PM | #4867
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
Again, wrong definitions. A realist makes a petition knowing it could go either way. They are more interested in a real outcome, not an anticipated outcome. An OPTIMIST will make a petition and hope for the best and even expect the answer to sway in his favor. A Pessimist would make a poll and say "Not sure why I did this since everyone will just vote against me anyways."

You are an optimist, and somewhat of a philosopher. But a realist you are not.
Wrong, you cant split perception of reality from reality itself.

an Optimist, is someone with unrealistic wishes not based on reality
a Pessimist is someone with unrealistic wishes not based on reality.

A realist knows reality is complex hence his mind is complex and knows he can alter the world.

You act as u were a robot? no real perception or wishes, intentions?

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Superman_AZ
05.14.2014 , 03:01 PM | #4868
Quote: Originally Posted by Thoronmir View Post
Again, I'm not in favor of AC changes either, but still can't see how it affects me. To skip the long queue, the Assassin would have to queue as a tank. Your concern presupposes the ability to switch AC after the group is formed. This seems self-regulating. If I was in the group and the Assassin who joined as our tank wants to switch to Sage DPS, the answer is easy. One of us is leaving the group. The Sage/Assassin is definitely going on /Ignore. Also, maybe the AC button can be set up to not work if you're grouped. That would prevent the abuse you mention.

I agree in principle that changing ACs is changing classes. But it seems that, assuming enough players really want the option, any rational arguments against it can be overcome either in the implementation by the developers or regulation among the community.
With that, I will just agree with have varied views on the matter, Since there are a small handful of people on a fan forum asking for it, and not a vast majority in game clamoring away, it is my assessment this topic will not likely make it into the game any time soon, and if it shows no additional momentum aside from objections, rather than support, maybe never.
"Be yourself, no one can ever tell you you're doing it wrong." ~ James Leo Herlihy

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ZahirS
05.14.2014 , 03:02 PM | #4869
Devs please tell this fake superman is wrong and tell us Advanced Class is coming

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Superman_AZ
05.14.2014 , 03:14 PM | #4870
Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
Wrong, you cant split perception of reality from reality itself.

an Optimist, is someone with unrealistic wishes not based on reality
a Pessimist is someone with unrealistic wishes not based on reality.

A realist knows reality is complex hence his mind is complex and knows he can alter the world.

You act as u were a robot? no real perception or wishes, intentions?
I am more like Spock... and you are more like McCoy Or in this case... you are Luke... and I am Yoda. Emotion clouds perception. I'm looking for what is realistic, not what will have a Positive/Negative outcome.
"Be yourself, no one can ever tell you you're doing it wrong." ~ James Leo Herlihy