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Star Wars Fans "OFFICIALLY" discredit Bioware's Star Wars: The Old Republic

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Star Wars Fans "OFFICIALLY" discredit Bioware's Star Wars: The Old Republic
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Arkerus
05.14.2014 , 11:33 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Nah, I think it's pretty ridiculous to place artificial restrictions on story before enjoying it. I ridicule that which I find ridiculous. It's what I do, and I'm proud to do it.

"Someone with authority must say it's canon!"

"It must have the word 'class' in front of it!"

"It must be about Revan!"

No... it must be good. That's it. Anything else is a silly, self-deluding, self-harming construct of the mind.
This x 1000.

Anyone worried that SWTOR isn't offical movie related canon is really worrying about the sun dying out someday.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. Not only is Disney/Lucas themselves confused as to what label to apply to SWTOR but its a god &*$% game. You are playing a game because you enjoy the mechanics, the story and the gameplay. You don't play a game because its connected to a movie.

Nothing in this game can even affect anything that happens in the movies because there are 1000s of years where they can just wave their hand and pretend something else happened.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. Its a game not related to the movies in any way. If you enjoy the game, keep playing it even if its not 100% movie canon.

Some of you really need to get a hobby outside of star wars canon talk.
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Beniboybling
05.14.2014 , 11:34 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by HiddenPalm View Post
THIS!!! LOL!!! It can be argued that SWG is not canon because it is part of C-Canon now called Expanded Canon according to Wookieepedia which falls under T-Canon according to Wookieepedia. And it can be argued it is canon because many of its features are mentioned in G-Canon, which is now Cinematic Canon according to Wookiepedia and Canon according to Disney, and both Wookieepedia and Disney claim anything mentioned in Cinematic Canon about the non-canon stuff automatically makes it canon and not legend canon. ...
Lets be clear on one thing:

Wookiee's constructed canon definitions are for internal, sorting purposes only. As a wiki than deals and combines both canonical and non-canonical works it needs to have some means of differentiating them and their relationships.

But they aren't making any changes to said relationships cinematic canon > expanded canon and non-canon remains irrelevant. Ultimately they are just different terms for Official Canon and Legends and should be treated as such.

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HiddenPalm
05.14.2014 , 11:45 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
This is a generalized statement, which by taking out of context you are confusing yourself. In general they are correct as everything below T-Canon is EU, and the EU is now Legends i.e. non-canon. So this is the most effective way of explaining how the new policy effects the old hierarchy, but that doesn't mean there are not exceptions.

And again, Wookieepedia lists all these exceptions in that same article, I'll quote the whole thing this time:
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As Wookieepedia rightly acknowledges, the canonicity of SWTOR is uncertain at this point and they are not making any claims of there own, as they lack the authority to do so. Read the policy again, the whole thing this time. And also familiarise yourself with discussions going on at the Senate Hall and such for the picture you currently lack.
I've read it close to a dozen times. What you are calling a "general statement" actually clearly says anything in the C-category is not canon. And what you are alluding to as more specific "Wookieepedia considers the following" is actually really vague like a politician saying he/she is for education. It's not even a finished sentence, just that it is up in the air. But what the policy states before that clearly puts their stance in perspective. C-category is no longer canon.

We would probably go in circles disagreeing about this. But maybe we can both agree, that Wookieepedia needs to put this policy better together, and perhaps stop claiming to be a fan site, because even you agree the writers are using it as a source, and Disney needs to pay real money to all of its contributors for compensation. And then we fans need to ask ourselves, are we content with this, or should there be a new fan site which represents the perspective of the fans a bit more? I believe that a true fan site, would respect the views of SWTOR gamers more actively. And I would really love to see Bioware say anything about this, anything at all.
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MillionsKNives
05.14.2014 , 11:51 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by HiddenPalm View Post
Yeah perhaps SWTOR needs an Onion like video blog!
The Onion is a different kind of funny, as their stuff doesn't inspire me to laugh at the writer, just the content.

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ZionHalcyon
05.14.2014 , 11:51 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by HiddenPalm View Post
I've read it close to a dozen times. What you are calling a "general statement" actually clearly says anything in the C-category is not canon. And what you are alluding to as more specific "Wookieepedia considers the following" is actually really vague like a politician saying he/she is for education. It's not even a finished sentence, just that it is up in the air. But what the policy states before that clearly puts their stance in perspective. C-category is no longer canon.

We would probably go in circles disagreeing about this. But maybe we can both agree, that Wookieepedia needs to put this policy better together, and perhaps stop claiming to be a fan site, because even you agree the writers are using it as a source, and Disney needs to pay real money to all of its contributors for compensation. And then we fans need to ask ourselves, are we content with this, or should there be a new fan site which represents the perspective of the fans a bit more? I believe that a true fan site, would respect the views of SWTOR gamers more actively. And I would really love to see Bioware say anything about this, anything at all.
Wookiepedia is right. Or are you just going to ignore what the people in charge of Lucasfilm and the new EU are telling you?

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Beniboybling
05.14.2014 , 11:52 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by HiddenPalm View Post
I've read it close to a dozen times. What you are calling a "general statement" actually clearly says anything in the C-category is not canon. And what you are alluding to as more specific "Wookieepedia considers the following" is actually really vague like a politician saying he/she is for education. It's not even a finished sentence, just that it is up in the air. But what the policy states before that clearly puts their stance in perspective. C-category is no longer canon.

We would probably go in circles disagreeing about this. But maybe we can both agree, that Wookieepedia needs to put this policy better together, and perhaps stop claiming to be a fan site, because even you agree the writers are using it as a source, and Disney needs to pay real money to all of its contributors for compensation. And then we fans need to ask ourselves, are we content with this, or should there be a new fan site which represents the perspective of the fans a bit more? I believe that a true fan site, would respect the views of SWTOR gamers more actively. And I would really love to see Bioware say anything about this, anything at all.
What you need to do is what for official conformation on whether SWTOR is canon or not, and don't assume that Wookieepedia is jumping to any conclusions, its a generalized statement (a piece of text no less) end of story.

But I'm not really sure why your getting in such a fuss about Wookieepedia for following Lucasfilm's policies, not only is it in part there job to make clear what official canon is but they still serve their purpose as a information site.

I mean what are you even on about, what is this "true fan site", a fan site were SWTOR pages are put in bold or something? Even if SWTOR is rendered non-canon, I wholeheartedly expect it will be used as a resource/references in future works and nothing is going to override it anytime soon - there is really no need to worry no matter what happens.

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HiddenPalm
05.14.2014 , 11:53 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
I think it is funny that fans somehow believe they control what is canon and what isn't.

Canon is whatever the IPO says it is. The IPO may license the IP for other uses such as books, games and comics but in the end the IPO can do whatever they want with the ideas raised by those other licensed uses up to and including ignoring them altogether.

The only canon that matters is that produced by the IPO. For Star Wars that would be the six movies and the Clone Wars animated series. Nothing else means squat. The games and such are nothing more than the fevered dreams of a dead bantha...so to speak.

Fans have no say in what is or isn't canon. They can (and will) cry and moan and rage but in the end all they are going to accomplish is a higher blood pressure for themselves and maybe a burst blood vessel or two.
Which fans are you talking about Wookiepedia or us? We're all fans, only that one group of fans said everything in C-Category isn't canon, which includes us, even though they acknowledge that disney subsidiary companies are still up in the air about us.
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Pagy
05.14.2014 , 12:05 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
So why are you here then, its not real, no one cares, why are you wasting your time enjoying a story that isn't real?

What silly logic.

While it may not be part of "reality" it still exists, and exists to be enjoyed, and things like this have an impact on how much it can be enjoyed, and are therefore important, else they would not have implemented them in the first place.
im not saying it shouldnt be enjoyed; but it's fantasy. it isn't real.

your personal need for consistency within FICTION is causing you to have to create drama where none is needed. if you need to dissect and criticize things that ARENT REAL and MADE UP and only exist in YOUR IMAGINATION then i wonder if you need something more important to think about in life. this isn't important; it isnt real.

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Rafaman
05.14.2014 , 12:13 PM | #89
Hmm... Ok. Let's try this another way.

OP, you are giving Wookiepedia waaay too much credibility. Somehow you believe that what they post or store in the repository is canon and that their opinions impact the Star Wars universe including SWTOR and has a very real impact not only on fandom but BW's ability to generate revenue. The reality is that none of that is true. None of it. A canon discussion with the creators of that website whom ever the purport they speak for is irrelevant.

So... why hasn't BW responded? Well, because there is nothing to respond too. Whatever Wookiepedia says or does is of no consequence. It is not libelous nor is it relevant. It would be the same as engaging our troll SWTOR fan Ashen over there directly. While amusing it is of no real benefit because he has no power over the success of the game.

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Grayseven
05.14.2014 , 12:15 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by HiddenPalm View Post
Which fans are you talking about Wookiepedia or us? We're all fans, only that one group of fans said everything in C-Category isn't canon, which includes us, even though they acknowledge that disney subsidiary companies are still up in the air about us.
Fans in general, regardless of where they are. Barring an official statement from the IPO, nothing said about canon is "official". The IPO is the alpha and omega when it comes to canon.
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