Star Wars Fans "OFFICIALLY" discredit Bioware's Star Wars: The Old Republic

STAR WARS: The Old Republic
Star Wars Fans "OFFICIALLY" discredit Bioware's Star Wars: The Old Republic

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DarthTHC

05.14.2014 , 11:18 AM \| #71	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling So I'm guessing this is your way of saying "your wrong: cause reasons"? Because I covered all of this in that post I linked. I think the fact that fans are getting ruffled over this proves my point. I think you'd benefit from taking into account other peoples feelings here before you try and ridicule them. Nah, I think it's pretty ridiculous to place artificial restrictions on story before enjoying it. I ridicule that which I find ridiculous. It's what I do, and I'm proud to do it. "Someone with authority must say it's canon!" "It must have the word 'class' in front of it!" "It must be about Revan!" No... it must be good. That's it. Anything else is a silly, self-deluding, self-harming construct of the mind.

Pagy

05.14.2014 , 11:19 AM \| #72	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling While this guys is making a fuss over nothing, I do disagree when people say that canon and continuity are unimportant concepts that folks "shouldn't care about". I said why on another thread, which I'll link here. it's all fiction. none of it is real. if you want to believe there are hobbits in the star wars universe, then lie down and imagine it. no one cares. the world exists in your imagination. why does this affect your life in any way?

ZionHalcyon

05.14.2014 , 11:19 AM \| #73	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by darthscotty Rebels which is coming this fall is cannon as well. But I agree with your point. Wookiepedia is desperately trying to stay relavent, they need to redo the website and separate out official cannon and legends cannon. Lucasfilm has been very clear on what is official and what is not, there is not debate. Swotor is legends and not official, accept it and move on. Well yes, the point is, EVERYTHING going forward is canon - the same level of canon as the movies. However, what that means is, as directly stated by Leland Chee and Kathleen Kennedy, everything prior to Rebels, other than the movies themselves and the Clone Wars cartoon, is no longer canon. It will be used as inspiration to reintroduce the best elements into the new canon (albeit possibly with new names), but that's all it will be - inspiration. Everything other than the Clone Wars and the Movies is no longer canon. I mean, all you really need to know this is painfully obvious, is Korriban/Moriband.
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ZionHalcyon

05.14.2014 , 11:21 AM \| #74	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil I didn't realize people spoke for me. I don't remember electing them. You were there for that meeting, but fell asleep. We did you a favor and filled out an absentee ballot.
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HiddenPalm

05.14.2014 , 11:23 AM \| #75	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by AshenK the fans have spoken tor is no longer cannon and now we can ignore everything tor tried to do. btw i love that tor is no longer cannon but swg is still cannon. THIS!!! LOL!!! It can be argued that SWG is not canon because it is part of C-Canon now called Expanded Canon according to Wookieepedia which falls under T-Canon according to Wookieepedia. And it can be argued it is canon because many of its features are mentioned in G-Canon, which is now Cinematic Canon according to Wookiepedia and Canon according to Disney, and both Wookieepedia and Disney claim anything mentioned in Cinematic Canon about the non-canon stuff automatically makes it canon and not legend canon. ... By the way, Beniboybling used the word "canonicity". Nice. Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives The entire post (and the rest of this thread) is hilarious, but this part really takes the cake. Yeah perhaps SWTOR needs an Onion like video blog!
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Beniboybling

05.14.2014 , 11:25 AM \| #76	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by HiddenPalm LOL! Dude I already addressed and even quoted you about it. It's in there new policy, which you read. Wookieepedia deems anything under T-Canon as non-canon. SWTOR is below T-canon and falls under C-Canon because it is a pre-acquisition video game. They even grouped it up with the original Star Wars Marvel comic books (S-Canon). By the way if you notice, they have no category for new and upcoming games like the new Battlefront coming out or future SWTOR expansions, besides "Expanded-canon" which they have already tripped over their own policy by saying none of it is canon because it is below T-Canon. "All content that was previously considered to be below T-canon is now officially non-canon, unless it is referenced in a new canon work." - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:CANON If you're alluding to their new "Expanded-canon" category, they still claim earlier on that anything under T-canon is no longer "canon", which they are now calling "Cinematic Canon" (G-Canon and T-Canon). I think Bioware needs to speak up, because Wookieepedia went and did something that not even Disney has done. And also, as a fan of SWTOR, I feel like Wookieepedia put its foot in its mouth. This is a generalized statement, which by taking out of context you are confusing yourself. In general they are correct as everything below T-Canon is EU, and the EU is now Legends i.e. non-canon. So this is the most effective way of explaining how the new policy effects the old hierarchy, but that doesn't mean there are not exceptions. And again, Wookieepedia lists all these exceptions in that same article, I'll quote the whole thing this time: Spoiler What about...? Certain sources previously released as Expanded Universe material remain unclear as to whether they are now considered to be canon. Based on statements made by Lucasfilm senior editor Jennifer Heddle and Del Rey publishing, Wookieepedia considers the following. This section may require updating as Lucasfilm releases new updates. The canon status of Fantasy Flight Games' ongoing roleplaying system, Star Wars: Edge of the Empire, is undetermined. Heddle states, "We'll figure it out." Del Rey states that film novelizations, film junior novelizations, and the Star Wars: The Clone Wars film novelization "are canon where they align with what is seen on screen in the 6 films and the Clone Wars animated movie." Heddle theorizes that Star Wars: The Clone Wars tie-in novels and comics, such as The Clone Wars: No Prisoners and Clone Wars Gambit: Siege, are only canon if they are directly based on something that was in the show itself. For example, the comic Star Wars: Darth Maul�Son of Dathomir is canon because it was adapted directly from a script for the show. Heddle supposes the films Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor, and the television series Star Wars: Droids, Star Wars: Ewoks, and Star Wars: Clone Wars are non-canon. Heddle assumes that the Old Republic era is non-canon, but she notes "that's something we've wondered ourselves" and that "I guess we'll see." She also assumes the MMORPG Star Wars: The Old Republic is non-canon, but she is uncertain, since the game is still ongoing. As Wookieepedia rightly acknowledges, the canonicity of SWTOR is uncertain at this point and they are not making any claims of there own, as they lack the authority to do so. Read the policy again, the whole thing this time. And also familiarise yourself with discussions going on at the Senate Hall and such for the picture you currently lack.
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Beniboybling

05.14.2014 , 11:27 AM \| #77	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC Nah, I think it's pretty ridiculous to place artificial restrictions on story before enjoying it. I ridicule that which I find ridiculous. It's what I do, and I'm proud to do it. "Someone with authority must say it's canon!" "It must have the word 'class' in front of it!" "It must be about Revan!" No... it must be good. That's it. Anything else is a silly, self-deluding, self-harming construct of the mind. Yet you seem to fail to understand how "canon" and continuity can have a very positive effect on making stories "good" both on paper and in the eyes of the readers. Unless you really believe the EU is a waste of time? EDIT: And of course that is without even touching on impact canonical labels have on how those works and treated and integrated and continuity is expanded upon. But perhaps your not a fan of the EU.
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Reno_Tarshil

05.14.2014 , 11:29 AM \| #78	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon You were there for that meeting, but fell asleep. We did you a favor and filled out an absentee ballot. No wonder I keep getting letters in the mail for some meeting.
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Beniboybling

05.14.2014 , 11:30 AM \| #79	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Pagy it's all fiction. none of it is real. if you want to believe there are hobbits in the star wars universe, then lie down and imagine it. no one cares. the world exists in your imagination. why does this affect your life in any way? So why are you here then, its not real, no one cares, why are you wasting your time enjoying a story that isn't real? What silly logic. While it may not be part of "reality" it still exists, and exists to be enjoyed, and things like this have an impact on how much it can be enjoyed, and are therefore important, else they would not have implemented them in the first place.
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Grayseven

05.14.2014 , 11:33 AM \| #80	Quote
I think it is funny that fans somehow believe they control what is canon and what isn't. Canon is whatever the IPO says it is. The IPO may license the IP for other uses such as books, games and comics but in the end the IPO can do whatever they want with the ideas raised by those other licensed uses up to and including ignoring them altogether. The only canon that matters is that produced by the IPO. For Star Wars that would be the six movies and the Clone Wars animated series. Nothing else means squat. The games and such are nothing more than the fevered dreams of a dead bantha...so to speak. Fans have no say in what is or isn't canon. They can (and will) cry and moan and rage but in the end all they are going to accomplish is a higher blood pressure for themselves and maybe a burst blood vessel or two.
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