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Ahsoka Tano, why the hate?


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NullanSevens
05.11.2014 , 09:24 PM | #1
I've been cruising many Star Wars boards for a couple of weeks since I've started catching up on The Clone Wars on Netflix and I'm starting to get this overwhelming feeling people really hate the young Togruta. I don't get why? I thought she was one of the show's strongest points. Sure she was annoying when she was first seen. But she was also like 14 years old. Most 14 year olds are annoying and they don't have Force powers and a lightsaber to back up their attitude. Other than that, people point to how she doesn't make sense with Episode III. But a lot of things don't make sense with the prequels.

So I guess, if you love her or hate her, why? And please be more descriptive than "Cause she ruined Star Wars" because I don't buy that immature tripe.

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StarSquirrel
05.11.2014 , 10:35 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by NullanSevens View Post
I've been cruising many Star Wars boards for a couple of weeks since I've started catching up on The Clone Wars on Netflix and I'm starting to get this overwhelming feeling people really hate the young Togruta. I don't get why? I thought she was one of the show's strongest points. Sure she was annoying when she was first seen. But she was also like 14 years old. Most 14 year olds are annoying and they don't have Force powers and a lightsaber to back up their attitude. Other than that, people point to how she doesn't make sense with Episode III. But a lot of things don't make sense with the prequels.

So I guess, if you love her or hate her, why? And please be more descriptive than "Cause she ruined Star Wars" because I don't buy that immature tripe.
Well you really hit the nail on the head as far as "she was annoying when she was first seen" and honestly that sentiment can be carried over through the entire first 2 seasons, which were both underwhelming and kiddy in the story and art departments and contributed greatly to the hate for her.

I personally disliked her completely till the 3rd or 4th seasons (her episode on Mandalore, as much as I hate the Hippie Mandos, was perhaps the turning point for me). And her personal story arc in season 5 was well done, so I don't hate her anymore, but I can't stand her in seasons 1 and 2 to this day.

Others hated the discontinuity of Anakin having a padawan for a length of time yet never mentioning her in Revenge of the Sith. They felt it was a major plot hole and that his having a padawan was a poor direction for his character. Someone else might better elaborate on this opinion, I'm just spewing someone elses words here as is.

A third potential avenue for hate might be the way her arc ended. If you've seen it you might understand why people dislike it and her in turn especially if you've seen season 6 (specifically her absence in that season). Some fans felt a tad betrayed, others felt it left too many loose ends. Either way, she gained a lot of fans and a lot of enemies with that arc.

Hope that helps a bit.
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MiaRB
05.11.2014 , 10:48 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by NullanSevens View Post
I've been cruising many Star Wars boards for a couple of weeks since I've started catching up on The Clone Wars on Netflix and I'm starting to get this overwhelming feeling people really hate the young Togruta. I don't get why? I thought she was one of the show's strongest points. Sure she was annoying when she was first seen. But she was also like 14 years old. Most 14 year olds are annoying and they don't have Force powers and a lightsaber to back up their attitude. Other than that, people point to how she doesn't make sense with Episode III. But a lot of things don't make sense with the prequels.

So I guess, if you love her or hate her, why? And please be more descriptive than "Cause she ruined Star Wars" because I don't buy that immature tripe.
you havnt figure out that some 'fans' just have to hate the thing they are fans of, especially star wars and especially when posting on the interwebz. you get no cool points for actually liking anything online.
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DarthDymond
05.11.2014 , 10:57 PM | #4
Because first impressions do matter, and despite how legitimately kick-*** she got by the end of the series, her "Skyguy" phase at the beginning was enough to turn some people off to not just the character but to the show as a whole - which in turn means they never even got to see the character development that might have made her more bearable to them.

Her young age may be a decent justification for some viewers to give her a pass, but others aren't interested in whether or not a TV show or movie gives a plausible reason for why an annoying character acts annoying, they just don't like watching an annoying character - end of story.

Personally, I went in saying "Hey, this is a show that is aimed towards kids, it's going to have a certain degree of childish humor or cutesy stuff for that demographic. I can accept that to a certain point, so now let's see if it tells a good story." Fortunately I found that it did, and that the elements I didn't care for as much even became less prominent over time. But my threshold for how much "kiddy stuff" is too much isn't necessarily the same as the next person's, so I can't really blame someone for writing it off if it just wasn't working for them as a form of entertainment.

I can, however, roll my eyes at anyone who goes on to say that Star Wars shouldn't have put out content that was catered towards kids in the first place. It was a sci-fi romp that had merchandising as a key part of its DNA from the beginning. There is plenty of Star Wars material out there that has been aimed at adults all along, mainly the novels and some of the video games, and even most of the comics, if not aimed specifically at adults, are perfectly accessible to mature readers.

Star Wars is a big enough franchise to have different bits of content aimed at different age groups - it makes perfect sense to say "this aspect isn't my cup of tea," (and I don't particularly even mind if someone chooses to express that as "man, I hate that aspect,") but it makes a lot less sense to say "this aspect shouldn't have ever been made because it's not my cup of tea."

The thing is, it can sometimes be rather hard to tell which one of those sentiments someone is really trying to express when they say "I hate [X]".
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05.12.2014 , 05:52 AM | #6
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Haters? Where? *loads shotgun*
right here.... kind of.... I just didnt like the idea that Anakin had an apprentice since you would think something like that would have come up in the movies. It felt like pandering just trying to get in a new demographic rather then an actual good story choice...... and for the start thats exactly what it was.

heck you didnt even need to make her Anakins or Obi-wan's padawan she could have just been one of yoda's that didnt have a master and was just traveling from master to master or something and it could have worked.

So dont hate her, just the concept of her.

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Beniboybling
05.12.2014 , 06:01 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by tunewalker View Post
right here.... kind of.... I just didnt like the idea that Anakin had an apprentice since you would think something like that would have come up in the movies. It felt like pandering just trying to get in a new demographic rather then an actual good story choice...... and for the start thats exactly what it was.

heck you didnt even need to make her Anakins or Obi-wan's padawan she could have just been one of yoda's that didnt have a master and was just traveling from master to master or something and it could have worked.

So dont hate her, just the concept of her.
I don't think it would have worked if Ashoka wasn't Anakin's Padawan, not only was the Master-Padawan relationship important in developing both their characters, but it was important that they mark her as a main character.

Also I'm pretty sure Padawan's at this point are only allowed one master.

I also don't feel there is any room for her being mentioned in ROTS... at least in the scenes depicted.

And as the OP said she quickly became one of the strongest and most important aspects of the show, so I definitely think it was a good story choice in the long run.

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tunewalker
05.12.2014 , 06:17 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I don't think it would have worked if Ashoka wasn't Anakin's Padawan, not only was the Master-Padawan relationship important in developing both their characters, but it was important that they mark her as a main character.

Also I'm pretty sure Padawan's at this point are only allowed one master.

I also don't feel there is any room for her being mentioned in ROTS... at least in the scenes depicted.

And as the OP said she quickly became one of the strongest and most important aspects of the show, so I definitely think it was a good story choice in the long run.
Well there is no room for her because before the show came out there was no her. thats the problem. It reeks of pandering to me. I dont honestly know how it could have been done different, I am sure other stories could have been told with out her, but whether tehy would have been good or bad is anyones guess.

Like I said, dont hate her, just the concept of her. i dont think she should have ever existed, but now that she does at least i can use her to explain the other one that I dont think should exist as a legend.

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cs_zoltan
05.12.2014 , 06:43 AM | #9
First she was annoying then she was arrogant. And not to mention she was kinda Mary Sue-ish, I mean she stood up to Grievous, Ventress, Anakin and Obi-wan, Aurra, Cad Bane...
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t-darko
05.12.2014 , 08:04 AM | #10
Wasn't the answer to her not mentioned in ROTS simply the fact that (Spoilers) left the order?
On her role in the saga I recommend the following read;

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And perhaps with Ahsoka by his side, Anakin could have found the strength to reform the Jedi. When she tells him that she is going to leave the Jedi Order, she surprises him by telling him that she knows that he's thought about leaving the Order as well. Ahsoka gets him in a way that no other Jedi—not even Obi Wan—does, and she sees not just the good in him, but also his struggles. The Jedi didn't pay attention to Barriss' frustrations and largely ignore Anakin's divided heart until it is much, much too late. **
** Source; Article