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Yet another Companion Combat Role Re-Spec thread

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Yet another Companion Combat Role Re-Spec thread

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Darth_Wicked
05.10.2014 , 10:37 AM | #31
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Or you're assigning a tone to text because you feel like playing Pocket Therapist in a thread about a Star Wars computer game, which I can't help you with.
Again, I wasn't the one venting.

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Because it isn't? Since I never said that?
You implied she didn't have a personality last I checked; I just inquired how was that relevant.

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An eye-roller. Kay. Because it makes more sense that a scavenging Jawa is one of your main Tanks, taking massive beatings from giant swarms of enemies. But sure, it's ludicrous to think he can take that same technological advantage and turn it to flinging some kolto bombs.
I believe it makes far more sense for him to be a ranged Tank than say, Mako or Gault... Just like it makes more sense to me that Mako would be more adept, from a technological standpoint.

I for one wouldn't like to rely on a Jawa for healing, given their reputation as unreliable scavengers.

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What does being a cybernetic slicer have to do with using kolto and medical techniques correctly? Do you trust the lead of your company's IT department to perform chest surgery on you, just because "Internet firewalls and pacemakers are both technology"?
Like I said above: More technologically adept.

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Or how about Guss Tuno, the failed Jedi who shows no particular aptitude for anything during the course of your encounter with him on Hoth? He's somehow more trustworthy to heal you than a Jawa with scavenged tech or a trained Imperial officer?
He shows a knack for surviving; That should count for something... I for one have no issue having him as a healer and it just fits, far more than he would as a Tank or DPS.

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Every single thing either one of us comes up with is going to be hand-waving because that's all comp role assignments are. Again, except in rare cases (Doc), the role has almost zero to do with their in-story behavior and if BioWare had assigned a randomly different one, you'd be vehemently defending that simply because of precedent.

Example:
  • Ashara Zavros is released as a Melee Tank.
  • 2 years later someone says "I would like Ashara to be a Melee DPS. She could dual-wield sabers."
  • Forum response: "lol you're an idiot, you just want her to DW because that's cool, she's obviously a Tank because she's your crew's Jedi and so she has more discipline and control and is trained in defense"

This is all so, so subjective that debating it is like debating what color an imaginary unicorn's tongue is.

Obviously the tongue is blue, because it's a unicorn.
Again, I'm fine with the roles as they are.

I would greatly enjoy if companions were capable of taking some in-combat scenarios in account but they're not. The most I expect from Bioware is for them to take into account the existing feedback and make new companions more versatile, which is what they're doing.

Regardless, I've been playing the game since the late beta sessions; Their roles, at least for me, are an intricate part of their personality overall, which is why I NEVER use an original Melee Tank as a DPS or a Healer as a DPS.

I wouldn't mind a bit more versatility as their abilities go but nothing more than that, really.

To conclude, it would be pointless in my book to waste resources in such time costly(?) venture overall.

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Darth_Wicked
05.10.2014 , 10:39 AM | #32
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Perhaps it is the way we are reading it. Venting usually has a high amount of irritation or anger behind it, yet I found the assessments to be light and humorous.
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=venting

Doesn't mean people are going into a murderous tirade though.

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RandomXChance
05.10.2014 , 10:43 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post

To conclude, it would be pointless in my book to waste resources in such time costly(?) venture overall.
This is my feeling as well. As Darth Wicked said, some tweaks here and there to the companions would be nice, but spending the resources to totally overhaul them to fix some small issues would be a waste.

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Damask_Rose
05.10.2014 , 10:56 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=venting

Doesn't mean people are going into a murderous tirade though.
Being irritated or angry generally doesn't translate into a murderous tirade. At least not with sane people.

Words can have multiple definitions and nuances. For instance (quoted from your link) "To vent is to unburden oneself of a strong pent-up emotion". This is the way I typically see the term "venting" used. When I read SW_display_name's assessments, they did not come across as emotional, just humorous. Clearly when you read them you took away a different impression.
My name is Milind. I checked it again and can confirm you there is no bug with any companion in the game.

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Darth_Wicked
05.10.2014 , 10:59 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Damask_Rose View Post
Being irritated or angry generally doesn't translate into a murderous tirade. At least not with sane people.
That was joke. Wasn't the smilie a giveaway?

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=joke+definition
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Words can have multiple definitions and nuances. For instance (quoted from your link) "To vent is to unburden oneself of a strong pent-up emotion". This is the way I typically see the term "venting" used. When I read SW_display_name's assessments, they did not come across as emotional, just humorous. Clearly when you read them you took away a different impression.
I read the second post as "venting", which as you can read here...

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=venting
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give free expression to (a strong emotion).
Regardless, you're just over analyzing it.

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anesvik
05.10.2014 , 11:04 AM | #36
To OP...a ton of good ideas i think. Dont like the Pierce on..I think he is better off as a Vanguard type tank.But there seems to be a ton of tanky companions. And the ones you would think should tank (Like Jeasa) dont.
I dont think they will revamp the companions, but it would be a good idea.
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Damask_Rose
05.10.2014 , 11:27 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post
That was joke. Wasn't the smilie a giveaway?

Regardless, you're just over analyzing it.
Sorry didn't notice the smiley face.

Many of my friends are writers, so discussing the subtleties of word choice and use is second nature to me. It's like sports fans discussing stats.
My name is Milind. I checked it again and can confirm you there is no bug with any companion in the game.

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Solo-Jo
05.10.2014 , 02:00 PM | #38
OP I %100 agree.

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Gwena
05.10.2014 , 02:32 PM | #39
Excellent posts OP, I completely agree.

As long as Bioware didn't just assign alternate roles all willy-nilly (no, Skadge won't heal you, lol) I think each Companion could easily have an alternate role added without it going against their personalities and back stories. And it isn't as though they all make perfect sense anyway! Just imagine if certain Companions had been released with different roles:

- "Quinn is a ruthless, cunning military man and is your pilot. Being a healer would totally go against his character!"
- "Vette is obviously meant to be the healer. She is poorly trained in combat compared to the rest of the crew and she has a caring personality."
- "LOL Blizz as a tank. How could you use your cute little Jawa as a meat shield??"
- "I just can't see Zenith as anything but a tank. He obviously cares for his people and fights fiercely to protect others."
- "Broonmark really isn't suited for anything but DPS. He's this aggressive ball of violence, not exactly a stalwart defender."

That's not to say that the current Companion roles are bad or anything, I just think that there is definitely room for some flexibility. ^^

An example of why I'd love this feature:
I plan to make an Assassin DPS, which means I'd want to play with either a healer or a tank Companion, or maybe a melee DPS (I really dislike using ranged dps with non-tank melee characters, and prefer not to go dual DPS anyway). Khem and Xalek are not to my liking and they want to murder me. Ashara annoys me. Talos is sweet, but I can't take him seriously as a battle buddy. Which leaves the only one I kind of like . . . Andronikos. The ranged DPS. >.<

Needless to say, I'd love to be able to use Andronikos differently. As it is now though, I have to choose between somewhat risky and messy combat (for me) or using a Companion that I simply do not like. Unless I want to respec my character to tank -- but hey, waitaminit! My character is the important one, let the Companion respec instead!
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Malckiah
05.10.2014 , 07:22 PM | #40
They friggin need a companion expansion all together....plus right before launch they had it already implemented that any companion could fill any role through kits....why they didn't do this boggles my mind