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Revenge of the Archon: too hard?


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Loc_n_lol
04.13.2014 , 08:54 PM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by sebastienrivas View Post
How do you get this *********** ray shield down?
I believe it's tied to his health. Left one goes down first, so you can use the rod to disable that generator, then once you've done that oyu'll be able to pickup another rod from a droid, and right shield will go down further into the fight.

If geared enough you can also completely ignore the shields and generators and just kill the boss, but obviously that's not an option if you can't get him below 80% ...

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MathesonWolfe
04.13.2014 , 10:28 PM | #302
I've done this quest quite a few times and I never look forward to it, because I find it buggy. Easier on some classes than others.

But I see a lot comments in the previous pages about being geared up for this fight. My question is, should you have to be geared up for it? Previous to this quest there was not another that made a "gear check". If a mission in a quest line has a definite gap in the gearing requirement while being part of the leveling process, I think there is a breakdown somewhere.

I'm not sure that my point is clear. But, if one has to stop the quest line, go back and do dailies to "gear up" (as has been stated in previous posts), then what is the point? One would be 55 easy enough without even doing Makeb.

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kritikiller
05.02.2014 , 10:05 AM | #303
I'm a lvl 55 Sorcerer, and this one IS harder than the other boss fights; then again, it's the end of Chapter 4 - you should expect that.

It took me about 10 tries to get beat this.

I have been a Lightning Sorcerer since starting, and from a PvE standpoint, a pretty good one at that. But I couldn't get my head around this one.

I tried with Khem Val, I tried with Xalek... 3 or 4 times, both well geared with 156 (and some 162)... and I could not do this.

So I switched to Corruption, thinking I'd heal my way through it. What happened this time, was that I actually died QUICKER as a healer, than as Lightning. Did this about 3-4 times, with Khem and Xalek.

AND... I did absolutely pathetic damage on the boss, in this spec. This instance has you running all over the place... and THAT'S when it clicked:

I was going to have to DoT this mofo, and keep myself alive!

So I respecced Madness, pulled out a sorely undergeared Talos Dreilik (on passive), and just popped DoTs on the Archon whenever I could... while Talos healed me, and I Lightning Storm'd the droids.

I was able to also get one of the isotope generators down, when a droid dropped the quest item. That seemed to seriously slow down the dps the Archon did.

In the end, it's true what was said: keep moving, and beat the droids as quickly as you can. But in the meantime, the full Madness spec did wonders DoT'g the Archon.

It's not easy, but through trial and error of whatever spec and companion combinations you have, you will eventually beat him.

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Malastare
05.02.2014 , 12:34 PM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by kritikiller View Post
So I respecced Madness, pulled out a sorely undergeared Talos Dreilik (on passive), and just popped DoTs on the Archon whenever I could... while Talos healed me, and I Lightning Storm'd the droids.
In my experience, it's not the spec change that mattered nearly so much as your choice of companion. I'll repeat my findings yet again:

Unless you're geared far beyond the quest level (170?), DPS characters should run this quest with a healer companion.

Loads of DPS characters, especially ranged-DPS, run with tank companions. Tanks won't help you nearly enough here. The Archon will burn them down too quickly, especially because companions don't have AI routines that know to avoid area attacks. DPS companions have the same problem, but with even less hitpoints. The easiest strategy is to run with a healer companion. They keep you alive as you dance about, and you do enough damage that you maintain aggro and keep them from being killed. At that point, it doesn't matter whether you're hitting him with DoT or burst damage

My experience with this quest:

Operative[Conceal] + Lokin: Success
Sniper[Marksman] + Kaliyo: Fail (~70%)
Sniper[Marksman] + Lokin: Success
Marauder[Carnage] + Vette: Fail (60%)
Marauder[Carnage]/162 gear + Vette: Fail (90%)
Marauder[Annihilation]/162 gear + Vette: Fail (80%)
Marauder[Carnage]/162 gear + Quinn: Success (ignored reactors)

I know it is possible to complete the quest as a DPS player with a non-healer companion. However, it is so much easier with the healer companion, that I've never actually failed with a healer companion.

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Pagy
05.02.2014 , 01:04 PM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Malastare View Post
In my experience, it's not the spec change that mattered nearly so much as your choice of companion. I'll repeat my findings yet again:

Unless you're geared far beyond the quest level (170?), DPS characters should run this quest with a healer companion.

Loads of DPS characters, especially ranged-DPS, run with tank companions. Tanks won't help you nearly enough here. The Archon will burn them down too quickly, especially because companions don't have AI routines that know to avoid area attacks. DPS companions have the same problem, but with even less hitpoints. The easiest strategy is to run with a healer companion. They keep you alive as you dance about, and you do enough damage that you maintain aggro and keep them from being killed. At that point, it doesn't matter whether you're hitting him with DoT or burst damage

My experience with this quest:

Operative[Conceal] + Lokin: Success
Sniper[Marksman] + Kaliyo: Fail (~70%)
Sniper[Marksman] + Lokin: Success
Marauder[Carnage] + Vette: Fail (60%)
Marauder[Carnage]/162 gear + Vette: Fail (90%)
Marauder[Annihilation]/162 gear + Vette: Fail (80%)
Marauder[Carnage]/162 gear + Quinn: Success (ignored reactors)

I know it is possible to complete the quest as a DPS player with a non-healer companion. However, it is so much easier with the healer companion, that I've never actually failed with a healer companion.
i did it on day 1 with a rakata geared madness hybrid sorc and xalek.

this fight is not hard. people are just not great at the game; which isn't meant to be inflammatory. mmo players have an overinflated sense of their own skill level.

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Bullyabass
05.05.2014 , 05:34 PM | #306
It's a hard fight depending on spec; DoT dps/healing classes shouldn't have much trouble

On my semi-geared tanking Jug I had a lot of trouble targeting the droids until I force pushed the Archon to the edge of the platform, was fairly easy after that though he does a heal which needs to be interrupted.

Healer companion helps a lot but an unlucky RNG/lag will still kill you without much to be done

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maxjam
05.09.2014 , 07:33 AM | #307
I have completed this mission 4x with alts but can't complete it with my Powertech + Mako.

I know how the mechanics, but no matter how many Refuelling droids I kill they aren't dropping the item I need to disable the generators

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Malastare
05.09.2014 , 11:06 AM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by maxjam View Post
I have completed this mission 4x with alts but can't complete it with my Powertech + Mako.

I know how the mechanics, but no matter how many Refuelling droids I kill they aren't dropping the item I need to disable the generators
There seems to be a bug (or something) in how it handles multiple attempts. It seems that if you die on your first try after using the rods to disable one or both reactors (thus completing the Bonus), that on your next try the rods don't drop.

You could try to reset the quest and hope that it doesn't force you to redo the entire palace.

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Arrogus
05.09.2014 , 11:43 AM | #309
I just beat it last night as a level 54 Madness Sorc with Xalek. My moronic companion kept dieing to the laser, and I couldn't handle the Archon's damage output (I'd run out of force just healing myself).

What finally worked for me was ignoring the ads completely, causing the Archon to spam his laser constantly; the attack is easily dodged, and as long as he's using it, he isn't damaging you directly, giving you time to heal and recover your resource.

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Darkemace
05.09.2014 , 11:49 AM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by maxjam View Post
I know how the mechanics, but no matter how many Refuelling droids I kill they aren't dropping the item I need to disable the generators
One way around that is to push him towards the door. Once he's far enough away the shield stops working.