Solutions to issues faced by Carnage/Combat

I can get behind using CoP while CC'ed, Juggs have it and assassin can teleport while CC'ed, so why not.

I also like the idea of getting rage while stunned and KB'ed, it would open up for me not having to move backwards in order to leap and get rage that way ^^ Although, leaping is a bonus to dmg so in theory ud want to do it a lot but nonetheless it sounds like a good idea.

zero range leap is a specialty of anni. you can't take that (uniqueness) away from them. they're the interrupters who have steady dps and the interrupts and resource pool to maintain it. the basic philosophy is fine. if you took the interrupt off of leap and just use it as a resource regen, then I'd say that's fine for carnage.

Here is a compiled list of suggestions I have that would solve the balance, and QoL issues Carnage/Combat tree currently faces in PVP.

First off, the biggest issue that the spec faces is the mass amount of CC that is easily thrown around. CC in this game has far too little of a drawback, drawbacks as in better resolve system, CC reflects, and larger cooldowns. Extremely simple, low cost and low cooldown CC can just be thrown around at a whim, with little thought and sometimes it is even AOE. Even this simple CC can completely shut down the burst rotation of Combat/Carnage that, depending on the scenario/opponent takes thought and adaptation without even considering throwing the CC in. No other DPS spec suffers this in practice.

Now don't get me wrong CC should be the counter to the spec, but what it should counter is the pressure that the marauder/sent should be the best at applying, not completely shutting it down consistently without effort. You have to remember as well, in a game where AOEs exist, add Ranged classes are given kiting tools as well as burst, melee classes succumb to the most potential damage taken. Without a self heal, this fact is even more compounded on because even after a win or escape, the Mara/sent has to take longer to reset and try again.


Onto the suggestions:


1.) Undying Rage
Instant
Cooldown: 120s
Reduces the damage you take by 99% and reflects 450 energy damage back at attackers for 5 seconds. Activating this ability purges all movement impairing effects. When the effect ends, 50% of your current health is lost.



2.) Frenzied Sabers
When your Ataru Form deals damage, your damage reduction is increased by [1.5 / 3]%. Stacks up to 2 times. Lasts 10 seconds. At 2 stacks, your alacrity is also increased by 5% for the duration.


3.) Execute
Your Ataru Form hits grant a stack of Execute, each stack makes your next Force Scream deal [2.5 / 5]% more damage. Stacks up to 2 times. Lasts 5 seconds.

4.) Towering Rage
Each stack of Execute now additionally increases the critical chance of Force Scream by [25 / 50]%.


5.) Stagger
Knockback immunity is now granted for [1.5 / 3] seconds immediately after a Force charge.


Note:
These are more conservative changes for the most part, even though I am sure there will be a mass following of trolls that enter this thread that will claim some math or supposed consistent scenario involving Combat/Carnage that these changes would make overpowered but will be unwilling to provide even a shred of evidence to support it (even though consistency would dictate easy access to proof)

On that note, I welcome constructed criticism, as long as it is mature and if you are going to make a claim at least do the presentable, or rather intelligent motion of a debate and supply evidence.

This is generally a more reasonable set of suggestions than what you had talked about previously in other threads so I applaud you for taking feedback. That said I just don't think you can give even brief knockback immunity to sents/maras without overbuffing them.

The execute changes you propose are similar to those that have been talked about for a long time now and may work, although I suspect if we see them it will require three ataru proc's per execute.

The frenzied saber change is the wrong buff I think. Ataru proc's come so quickly that getting to a 3 stack is not a problem. The problem is with the short duration of the buff it is easy to lose during CC. I'd rather see the duration increased to 15 seconds and it otherwise left alone.

For undying rage/GBTF, I do not think making it reflect damage would be the way to go. I'd rather see the duration dropped to 3 seconds and have the health loss on activation again instead of at the end of the ability. Or reduce the amount of damage reduction to something like 50% for 5 seconds, make it usable only under 50% health, and remove the health loss altogether.

Let me just say to the people that say UR is the best DCD in the game: Do you even play marauder bro ? I'd gladly change the entire DCD to pretty much anything. 5 seconds of 40% dmg red, heck 30 %.. It's an almost useless ability in regs. 50% of the time you are CC'ed and other 50% you might do a little extra dmg but that dmg will prob 1/100 games be useful for your team because if you are dying like that then your team is prob dying fast and you won't win anyway.. if you are uber lucky then maybe you could save yourself in ranked with it, but if the team is half decent then they would CC me. Hell, i'd even remove the entire DCD and get Force camo on lower CD instead.

Over to topic:

No, i'm sorry but you have a lot to learn. Yes carnage marauders have an annoying RNG aspect over itself, and it would be nice to get a more reliable rotation (spamming 5 massacres, lol no scream fml) but giving carnage ANY type of CC protection will be OP. i would destroy vs any class. The point is that if you don't stop a carnage from attacking (i'm thinking gore+ravage party here) and getting his procs to scream etc etc you are going to have a bad time, which means; if you CAN't stop them because he is CC immune then sucks to be you i guess. KB immunity i don't get ? why would you leap a KB capable fella in the back when you could just go up to him and leap him after KB ? which is much better. Think about it. if you do that, then you won't have to deal with slowed movement after KB when u have to move up to him (cause obviously a skilled player would wait for your KB immunity passes) besides: Predation bby!!... When i think about it, it would be nice to get to leap closer to objective and controll situation without worrying about a KB but that is highly situational.

The fact of the matter is that Carnage marauders just are very very hard to play in regs and thats because of lots of different factors that i'm not going to go in too. The class just requires a lot of practice in WZs, how to respond to situations, how to utilize your surroundings, how not to leap in get KB and die instantly etc etc.

Well for start having an auocrit, uncounterable ability hitting for 8k for free seems like a bit too much plus it pretty much takes most of the skill of the spec.

But although this suggestion seems tempting it requires a bit more thought and calculations as at the current state your building focus attacks can also trigger ataru and subsequently execute with 45% proc chance... if massacre is used to gain execute via stacks then you will have to spend gcds to gain focus. Also 45% proc chance once an ataru stike is proced is high to be getting it consistently, although not predictable to allow planning of a rotation. Some people like carnage exactly for this reason though, as it has not "fixed" rotation but it is a matter of priorities.

First of all, the execute proc chance is 30%, not 45%, and it feels less than that. Sometimes you will get it on one ataru form swipe, sometimes you wont get it after 8. Carnage was designed with force scream being the large consistent damage hit, even before the xpac. If you think taking the rng away from this like they did with madness is a bad idea because it will allow marauders to hit too hard, you obviously have no concept of how much damage other specs do. Its one auto crit, with no other crit talents in the tree. Its a qol buff plain and simple, and will not change the spec very much considering you know....force scream and gore have a cooldown. Did you forget that?

I have said it before in this thread. The spec being random does not make it require more skill, it entails the absence of it.

First of all, the execute proc chance is 30%, not 45%, and it feels less than that. Sometimes you will get it on one ataru form swipe, sometimes you wont get it after 8. Carnage was designed with force scream being the large consistent damage hit, even before the xpac. If you think taking the rng away from this like they did with madness is a bad idea because it will allow marauders to hit too hard, you obviously have no concept of how much damage other specs do. Its one auto crit, with no other crit talents in the tree. Its a qol buff plain and simple, and will not change the spec very much considering you know....force scream and gore have a cooldown. Did you forget that?

I have said it before in this thread. The spec being random does not make it require more skill, it entails the absence of it.

Yes you are right about the 30%, didn't double check and for some reason I remembered it as 3-point skill. But nvm...

I didn't say that removing the rng is a bad idea, I simply said that it makes it more interesting for some people. However, that was based on my false recall of 45% proc chance. Need to check something else to have a conclusive personal opinion, but at a first glance, yes I agree, removing the rng seems valid in this case or alternatively increasing the proc chance to something like 50-60% would also work very consistently.

Do you even play carnage?

Vengence/vigi was strong pre 2.7, though the rotation was so simplified that it didn't take much more skill to run than smash, the buff to white damage in 2.7 has actually made the spec retarded easy to play, long gone are the days when you saw a vigi/veng player who did well and thought "this person is amazing;" sadly, vigi/veng is just another fotm spec now.

It's allright I get it now I don't mind if marauders have a QOL fix (dunno the exact term to call that) but most of what he suggested is just silly.