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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ekwalizer
05.06.2014 , 04:44 AM | #4651
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
The last quote on the subject by a dev was by the Lead Designer, who said it had been given serious consideration and would likely happen. No time frame was given.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dulfy and Damion Schubert
18. Will be there any faction or Advanced Class change option available for purchase in the future?

We have had serious talks recently about offering an Advanced Class change optionI think that one will likely happen eventually. Species is likely as well. Doing a faction switch is considerably more difficult for us, though, due to the various quest flags set throughout the level up process, so this isn’t on the horizon anytime soon.
Here are a few oft overlooked details about that quote:
1.) It was made in 16 November 2012, 18 months ago. http://dulfy.net/2012/11/16/swtor-f2...mion-schubert/
2.) There have been 2 Digital Expansions since that statement was made.
3.) A new species and the ability to Species change have been in the game for quite some time now.
4.) It was the only quote ever made that even implied AC change was being considered. A contradiction to every other quote on the subject.
5.) They have been completely silent on the matter ever since, there has been zero Bioware input on the subject since, to include in this thread that is the oldest and most active AC respec thread still on the forum.
6.) There is yet another announced Digital Expansion coming in a few months - AC respec is not (yet) listed as part of that major game event.
7.) The Cartel Market is flourishing, AC respec would certainly be put on the CM - yet they haven't done it.
8.) Neither "likely" nor "eventually", or the combination thereof equate to "will".
9.) If they could do it easily, they would have done it by now.

Here is something a bit more recent:
Quote:
Ten Ton Hammer
https://www.tentonhammer.com/watn/damion-schubert
Inside the BioWare offices, there’s a wall with a ton of Post-It notes, all marked, sorted, and graded in terms of viability, called The Wall of Crazy. It’s a wall of ideas that the team will work on making a reality if, and only if, they can be done right. One of those ideas is Guild Ships. Damion has been a strong proponent of bringing this and other amazing systems to fruition, but only if they can be done right. It’s that dedication to the game, the fans, and the fortitude to release something only when it’s truly epic that makes Damion such an amazing person to have the honor of working with.
While absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it should be noted that Guild Ships were specifically detailed as being on the Wall, whereas AC Respec was not - and the writer is an SWTOR player. That could be explained away any number of ways, my point is without seeing the Wall of Crazy, we don't know what is on it and what isn't. AC Respec, probably isn't given the complete lack of input since 16 NOV 2012.

Do we honestly think the Staff and Devs are not aware of this thread? November will mark 2 years since that quote was made and by then, there will be a 3rd Expansion and you will still be no closer to AC Respec. I seem to recall "Dual Spec" being a priority for them, and they left that sitting at Field Respec. They can't even get a proper Dual Spec system to work and you think they can make AC Respec a reality?

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ekwalizer
05.06.2014 , 04:58 AM | #4652
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
No. It does not, in my mind, imply that there is anything good in it. In fact, quite the opposite. The fact that it has not yet been implemented despite countless threads clamoring for it, IMO, implies that the devs may share my opinion that it would not be good for the game.

That said, however, if this game ever starts to fail, the devs may see a "bad thing" as something that might bring people back.
While I don't disagree with your position; I actually take the Devs at their word on this subject. I believe that they had serious discussions about it and wanted to move forward. My money is on a technical issue that precludes it from happening. Likely related to whatever is keeping them from introducing a real Dual Spec feature.

Or, they read all the threads about it and realized that most players either do not want it or are indifferent about it, so why dedicate the resources to a very small segment of the population?

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LordArtemis
05.06.2014 , 05:30 AM | #4653
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
P2W is paying for something in a Cash shop that can not be earned in-game.
I disagree with this view. Pay to Win is when someone pays for something in a game with real world money that can not be acquired in the game by other means, or when it provides the item earlier than a player would normally be able to acquire it by in game means AND it provides an advantage over someone that can not or will not pay.

In other words, if I buy an emote that turns me into a twinkie, and that emote can not be had in game by other means that is not in any way shape or form "Pay to Win". Not sure what advantage I get over someone else having a twinkie emote.

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LordArtemis
05.06.2014 , 05:39 AM | #4654
I would also add that folks need to stop using the DE quote. There are many reasons for this. I will list only three.

1) DE did not, to my knowledge design classes or abilities.
2) DE often speculated on things he should not have IMO, and gave his personal opinion, opinion that quite often contradicted with his last opinion on the matter.
3) DE is gone, and more recent opinions...yes, I think they are opinions as well, contradict a few of his statements.

I personally feel it is best to toss all statements...and I mean ALL of them about AC...what it is, what the intent was, what they plan to do, etc. out the door.

IMO is ALL speculation. Frankly I don't think even they know why they set them up that way, what the intent was or what they will do with it.

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ekwalizer
05.06.2014 , 05:43 AM | #4655
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I disagree with this view. Pay to Win is when someone pays for something in a game with real world money that can not be acquired in the game by other means, or when it provides the item earlier than a player would normally be able to acquire it by in game means AND it provides an advantage over someone that can not or will not pay.
Such as the ability to purchase Speeder 3 with CC at level 1. Stealth fixed, but it was there ... for a long time.

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LordArtemis
05.06.2014 , 05:54 AM | #4656
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
Such as the ability to purchase Speeder 3 with CC at level 1. Stealth fixed, but it was there ... for a long time.
Yes, that and a few other things, like some of the space upgrades and the like were or are definitely Pay to Win.

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LordRichardEW
05.06.2014 , 06:11 AM | #4657
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Yes, that and a few other things, like some of the space upgrades and the like were or are definitely Pay to Win.
Well considering the space upgrades can be gotten in game with out having to spend a CC or even getting them off the gtn and have no effected on player vs player at all then its not really Pay to win.

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LordArtemis
05.06.2014 , 06:37 AM | #4658
Quote: Originally Posted by LordRichardEW View Post
Well considering the space upgrades can be gotten in game with out having to spend a CC or even getting them off the gtn and have no effected on player vs player at all then its not really Pay to win.
Good point. I was under the impression they were CM only items. Can you get them from the market and use them much earlier than someone that gets them in game?

I don't know because I don't play SWTOR space. At all.

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Vhaegrant
05.06.2014 , 06:41 AM | #4659
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I disagree with this view. Pay to Win is when someone pays for something in a game with real world money that can not be acquired in the game by other means, or when it provides the item earlier than a player would normally be able to acquire it by in game means AND it provides an advantage over someone that can not or will not pay.

In other words, if I buy an emote that turns me into a twinkie, and that emote can not be had in game by other means that is not in any way shape or form "Pay to Win". Not sure what advantage I get over someone else having a twinkie emote.
And this is probably a good example of why I shouldn't post pre-coffee.
I forgot to relate the quote to items that have a Statistic on them. So when buying items such as mods or end game gear.
I'll go back and tidy that up. And, include it below for fullness...

P2W is paying for an item from a cash shop that has higher in-game stats than the 'Best in Slot' item earned in game.

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Vhaegrant
05.06.2014 , 07:02 AM | #4660
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
Do we honestly think the Staff and Devs are not aware of this thread? November will mark 2 years since that quote was made and by then, there will be a 3rd Expansion and you will still be no closer to AC Respec.
I would imagine the Forum Community Staff are aware of this thread, they may or may not have made the devs aware of it. In general terms, if a Dev has commented directly on a subject they don't make any repeat announcements until it is ready to be rolled out. The last quote of concern was the direct instigator of this thread.
Beyond the actual scope of the question the number of forumites engaged on this topic is quite small, a handful of the same names getting on the AC swap waltzer every couple of months or so, not sure why the Devs would need to be notified of this?
As no time frame was ever given for any roll out of an AC swap feature, just that it was likely in the future, closeness is not really important.

Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
I seem to recall "Dual Spec" being a priority for them, and they left that sitting at Field Respec. They can't even get a proper Dual Spec system to work and you think they can make AC Respec a reality?
Personally I find the 'Field Respecialisation' functionality far better than the limited interface of a Dual Spec. I can respecialise, swap out gear and reorganise my quickbars in about a minute. Or, do you not want to put in the effort to have as many builds as you want at your fingertips, relying instead on a toggle between two options.